How much space will Logos hold to ransom?

DominicM
DominicM Member Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

Right, am annoyed - very annoyed... on indexing (again)

Each version is worse and worse - My Logos 10 library index on Windows 10 is 7.9GB big, am blessed with a big library I use offline, I have 8.8GB of free space, yet the indexer crashes due to "running out of space" - get the 1gb free required message so lose 7hours of functional use every index, sorry but how much space do you need?

REQUEST:
Please either optimise the indexing to use less space, [again I beg and plead with you that your software should not be holding 8+ GB hostage] or failing that give me the option in program settings to force delete the existing index at start of the reindexing process, after all if it going to crash anyway and I have to delete folder, perhaps you can give me option to automate deleting it and save me some grief/annoyance?

Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,116

    For comparison:

    [quote]If the Unix sort works similar to the GNU sort, then the initial pass creates temp files based on ram size. . . . On the last merge, the required disk space will be double the file size (rounded up to cluster bondary), so a bit over 1,000 GB.

    The amount vary depending on the sort method and the file structure but this is typical.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,677

    Each version is worse and worse - My Logos 10 library index on Windows 10 is 7.9GB big, am blessed with a big library I use offline, I have 8.8GB of free space, yet the indexer crashes due to "running out of space"

    It is best to assume that you need at least (Library index size + 1 GB) free, because your existing Index is retained whilst a temporary one is being built.

    In terms of hard disk drive spare space and OS efficiency, you need at least 25% free i.e. 29 GB, albeit that about half of that would suffice for an SSD with  builtin over-provisioning.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • DominicM
    DominicM Member Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭

    I guess I am alone in believing this is not an acceptable demand, and there has to be a better more efficient way of doing it. however I guess if you have a modern system with 2+TB of SSD it really is not an issue as you are rarely going to fill it.. but my laptop is SSD and is still very responsive, and usable for a 2013 machine, except the 128GB SSD size, which I cannot get a replacement for, its hard soldered apparently, and sadly immediate replacement is not in budget either... 

    I would still like an option of destroy existing index but doubt it will happen in the forseeable future.. 

    Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,087

    I guess I am alone in believing this is not an acceptable demand,

    I understand your issue.  But I can see FL's approach with thousands of less than talented computer-ists (me).  The norm is don't destroy the present, before you create a working future. 

    A choice for the inexperienced (not you)?  I've not doubt my Mac will have similar issues soon enough ... it really likes videos from our car traveling.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,116

    I guess I am alone in believing this is not an acceptable demand, and there has to be a better more efficient way of doing it

    If you build an algorithm that takes less space while maintaining the speed of the current sort, you might become a very rich man.

    I would still like an option of destroy existing index but doubt it will happen in the forseeable future.

    This keeps one from working while the index is being rebuild and keeps one from working if the index rebuild fails. Some may be willing to take that cost and risk but others will not. In the meantime, leaving resources in the cloud on my smaller (older) computer is my solution.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,677

    Each version is worse and worse -

    Logos 10 does not need a Bible Index!  If it has not been removed then delete the BibleIndex folder in ... \Logos\Data (that should save at least 1 GB).

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Kevin A. Purcell
    Kevin A. Purcell Member Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭

    I feel your pain, but having only 8GB of space on a Windows drive is a problem and is slowing down your overall system most likely. Is the drive upgradable? If so, consider upgrading. If not, you may want to run some clean up procedures to clear up more space. If you can't do the above and get more space, then you might consider using the web app until you can.

    Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
    Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

    www.kevinpurcell.org

  • DominicM
    DominicM Member Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Dave I had that folder - deleted it it was 1.2GB in size - very helpful

    Kevin - if it wasn't SSD then I would agree but system is fine, and responsive

    Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,677

    Thanks Dave I had that folder - deleted it it was 1.2GB in size - very helpful

    You can also save space by

    • deleting specific resources  in the Concordance folder
    • deleting the WebCache folder for downloaded videos and audio (usually from Courseware)
      • an SQlite database browser will show you the files that belong to specific Courseware resources.

    Both of these folders can be easily greater than 1 GB, depending on your usage.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Frank Sauer
    Frank Sauer Member Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭

    Another option is going through your Library and 'Hiding' resources that you do not use - you may save some space there.

    Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,469

    Another option is going through your Library and 'Hiding' resources that you do not use

    An alternative - now Logos support Cloud Resources - is to move the resources from your local drive to the Logos Cloud.

    That way you save local disk space but the results still appear in searches and it is easier to access them if required.

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043


    I would still like an option of destroy existing index but doubt it will happen in the forseeable future.. 

    I believe you can simply delete the relevant file (with Logos/Verbum closed), but don't take my word for it.

    “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,677


    I would still like an option of destroy existing index but doubt it will happen in the forseeable future.. 

    I believe you can simply delete the relevant file (with Logos/Verbum closed), but don't take my word for it.

    Dominic knows he can manually delete the Index you indicate but he was wanting an option in Logos (which is unlikely to eventuate).

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Michael G Parry-Thomas
    Michael G Parry-Thomas Member Posts: 416 ✭✭

    Hi

    Dave 

    Is it possible to recommend ,point me to the right place for a SQlite database browser 

    Thanks 

    Mick

  • Roy
    Roy Member Posts: 965

    I have not used this program for some time but when I did use it it wasn't too bad.

    https://sqlitebrowser.org/ 

    Check it out if you like.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,677

    Dave
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