BUG: Search results differ unexpectedly

I was trying to show how the Bible search chapter option worked and why, therefore, we don't need to switch to a basic book search. However, my results were not the same on the two options.

Simple search for: lemma.h:=רֵאשִׁית AND lemma.h:=בִּכּוּרִים

Bible search chapter option: 31 results in 7 chapters

Book search option: 17 results in 6 articles

Why don't they match?

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Andrew Batishko

Bible search only search Bible text, but Books search will also search the front matter, pericope titles, etc.

In addition, article boundaries (used in Books search) does not always line up exactly with Chapter boundaries.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1240422#Comment_1240422

Bible search only search Bible text, but Books search will also search the front matter, pericope titles, etc.

Right but there are no results shown from front matter, pericope titles, etc.

In addition, article boundaries (used in Books search) does not always line up exactly with Chapter boundaries.

Right, but I see no results near enough the boundaries for that to explain it.

Why for example does Lv 23 not appear on the book side? And why does the Book search results remain when I limit it to the field "Bible text" if any of the above explained it's more limited results? And why was it common practice In L9 to use a basic search to cross verse lines if the results were so wildly different?

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1240434#Comment_1240434

Right but there are no results shown from front matter, pericope titles, etc.

Yes, you are correct. I'm not sure what I was thinking. That still applies generally, but not in this specific instance.

Why for example does Lv 23 not appear on the book side?

Lv 23 doesn't appear on the Books search because the article boundary is at the start of the "The Festival of Weeks" pericope, and one lemma appears before that, and the other appears after. So, since the lemmas aren't in the same article, there is no match.

And why does the Book search results remain when I limit it to the field "Bible text"

Because the results are in Bible text. They're just in separate articles.

And why was it common practice In L9 to use a basic search to cross verse lines if the results were so wildly different?

Because... there was no other means to cross verse boundaries? I may not be understanding what you are getting at here. Books search (and L9 Basic) use article boundaries, which don't align with the chapter boundaries that L10 Bible search supports. Therefore you will get different results.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1240438#Comment_1240438

Lv 23 doesn't appear on the Books search because the article boundary is at the start of the "The Festival of Weeks" pericope, and one lemma appears before that, and the other appears after. So, since the lemmas aren't in the same article, there is no match.

This is interesting and perhaps exciting as I had been told that pericope boundaries could not be used as a search boundary because they were not marked. I need to explore this further. At least for the NRSV Book of Ruth, the book search is by pericope!!! I like it.

Because... there was no other means to cross verse boundaries?

This implies that a whole lot of search folk wisdom on the forums was incorrect ... which is fine as long as I understand it.

But I am still left with very different counts of occurrences for quite similar results? What is running the counts up so high?

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1240441#Comment_1240441

This is interesting and perhaps exciting as I had been told that pericope boundaries could not be used as a search boundary because they were not marked. I need to explore this further.

There is no guarantee that article boundaries will match pericope boundaries. They just happen to do so at that one specific location.

But I am still left with very different counts of occurrences for quite similar results? What is running the counts up so high?

I see that your Bible searches are configured for a "Broad" search. That means you are probably running into this issue. Switching to Default search gives the following numbers, which make sense to me:

Bible, Verse: 7 results in 3 verses

Bible, Chapter: 20 results in 7 chapters

Books: 17 results in 6 articles

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1240446#Comment_1240446

I see that your Bible searches are configured for a "Broad" search.

Thank you - I'd checked that I thought but I expected the on to be the same as on for forms. I NEVER want broad and always expect it to be off by default for myself.

There is no guarantee that article boundaries will match pericope boundaries. They just happen to do so at that one specific location.

For the book of Ruth pericope titles are what are the headings for the result groups ... but I won't trust it.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1240451#Comment_1240451

For the book of Ruth pericope titles are what are the headings for the result groups ... but I won't trust it.

For example, in the ESV, all of Matthew 1 is a single article, even though it contains two pericopes. You can use the Article option in the Locator bar to confirm the location of article boundaries.