I'm probably not following along. Maybe like you, I was checking Beloved's statement about apocrypha/pseudepigrapha.
Agreed there's no bottom footnotes for the asterisks. I got to the problem:
- Power Lookup which is pretty messy (formatting)
- Search; the footnotes(!) for NA28 to count each apo/pseud. I wouldn't say 'rare', but indeed infrequent.
I thought this came up last year; I don't remember if the answer was satisfying or not from FL.
Now, Beloved. First, I'm smiling. And second, I'm impressed with your scientific credentials. But 2% and rare? Followed by, appropriateness (ie an environment less favorable to the comparative measure).
I will say, NA28 does appear to correctly not use post-NT apo/pseud examples but that's just an impression.
Added from your edit:
Ok, now, I'm lost! I can find Sirach, P-Sol, various DSS Testaments, etc. Maybe I'm misunderstanding!
Added from your edit: Ok, now, I'm lost! I can find Sirach, P-Sol, various DSS Testaments, etc. Maybe I'm misunderstanding!
Is the Apparatus the standard?
Really not sure (in NA28, footnotes vs apparatus). I was analyzing the NA28 footnotes; you too, or apparatus?
The whole subject of allusion is fraught with mysticism, especially in low-sample mss environments. If Paul's greek closely matches a Wisdom passage, did he or didn't he allude? Maybe the passage was common jewsih thought/language by Paul's time (almost centuries).
That's why the above book I didn't recommend is so interesting. Instead of looking 'backward' (NT > apo/pseud), it tends to look forward relative to jewish culture assumed or created.
The "footnotes" to the NA28 were drawn from the apparatus therefore, that is where I assumed the text would be;
If Paul's greek closely matches a Wisdom passage, did he or didn't he allude? Maybe the passage was common jewsih thought/language by Paul's time (almost centuries).
According to a label Intertext search, Paul alluded only once, the rest were Echos (6x).
e.g. Intertext:(source:bible:"Wisdom of Solomon" AND relationship:Echo)
It may be interesting that an Intertext search reveals that at least 6 other pseudepigrapha books target the NT (it verifies the books shown in Concordance).
e.g. Intertext:(corpus:"Old Testament Pseudepigrapha" AND target:pseudepigrapha:"Vision of Ezra")
It's interesting, the other alluder (closer to quoter) is Jude, with the problem of an inspired Enoch? Of course, only those exact words is the apologetic. But the bigger problem is Jude presenting Enoch as written by Enoch. Older than Moses.
NA28 on * displays related passages. I set the book to show footnotes and 1 column to no effect -- obviously because they are shown to be from the apparatus I open the NA28 Apparatus to the passage; the text lacks the related passages. I set the book to show footnotes and 1 column and get footnotes but not with the data I am looking for. I use a Find only to get no results which implies the text must be in footnotes (which I just ruled out above). So how do I see these "footnotes"?
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/213916/1246775.aspx#1246775 and in deference to the trailing question as to how I came to my conclusions, I will reproduce my steps in this post. First, NA28 GBS should be viewed as the standard for extracting conclusions regarding "cross references" from the Bible, Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha as it presents this information when one curates this information using the Concordance tool. See below:
You will note that I have selected to view the Cross Reference Field as you can see by the "bread crumb" seen above. You will further note that there are a total of 25,445 cross references accounted for from the NRSV Bible (that it's from the NRSV you can't see, but take my word on this.), also you will observe there are 282 cross references accounted for from the OT Pseudepigrapha.
So, to calculate the percent cross references from the Apocrypha and OT Pseudepigrapha one will sum the Apocryphal cross references of which there are 590 (again you must take my word for this, but you may easily check this for yourself by prioritizing the NRSV and reproducing my steps to display the above noted Concordance and sum.), and add the OT Pseudepigraphal cross references to both the Apocryphal and Bible totals.
Then you will set the sum of the Apocryphal and OT Pseudepigraphal cross references in the numerator followed by setting the sum of the Bible and the OT Pseudepigraphal cross references in the denominator and then divide. The resulting sum represents the frequency of the Apocryphal and OT Pseudepigraphal as a part of the total of the recorded cross references. Multiplying by 100 gives you the percent frequency being approximately 3%.
You will note this is greater than the percent I gave yesterday as I wasn't careful to note the field of information I should be using. Indeed whether cross references are allusions, echoes, or otherwise is undetermined. But, this information is more useful for this discussion.
While the discussion has been interesting, I am still no closer to being able to read these footnotes on a page of the text which was the original question.
But the bigger problem is Jude presenting Enoch as written by Enoch
For that reason, Intertext takes it as a Citation. Ignore that part of v.14 and it is closer to a quotation from 1 Enoch 1:9.
NA28 on * displays related passages. I set the book to show footnotes and 1 column to no effect -- obviously because they are shown to be from the apparatus I open the NA28 Apparatus to the passage; the text lacks the related passages. I set the book to show footnotes and 1 column and get footnotes but not with the data I am looking for. I use a Find only to get no results which implies the text must be in footnotes (which I just ruled out above). So how do I see these "footnotes"? While the discssion has been interesting, I am still no closer to being able to read these footnotes on a page of the text which was the original question.
While the discssion has been interesting, I am still no closer to being able to read these footnotes on a page of the text which was the original question.
One thing I notice is that all the footnote text appears in the introduction. There is no reference in the NA28 Bible text nor does it occur in the Apparatus. So, we are left to read the introduction or utilize the Concordance to access this text.
Sorry, MJ. Those footnotes are not available in the main body of the resource. There isn't a way for you to be able to see them in the way you want.
The only reference / explanation to these cross references seem to be found in the "Introduction > IV > 1" section of the "NA28 NT" resource.In the print edition, these cross references are found in the outer column of a page. In the Logos edition, these cross reference from that portion in the outer column are linked by " * " and display with mouse cursor over *. It seems that the mention of "NA28 Apparatus" as source is somewhat confusing because many of us think of "NA29 Critical Apparatus"; actually these references from the outer page column are part of the "Apparatus" but not of the "Critical Apparatus".
Thank you. I now know how to word my complaint to Logos.
