Why Did(n't) You Upgrade to Logos 10?

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes
no but I plan to
no and I'm undecided
no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

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MJ. Smith

1. Yes, I purchased an upgrade ... in two parts because, to my annoyance, the Verbum and the Logos feature sets were no longer identical.

2. Habit and the need to be current for the forums. The Questions feature was implemented in a way that is not useful for me -- I need the questions without answers in the Bible Study Guides; the Church History is too biased towards the last half millennium in the West; the Timeline tool is improved but I still need to use external software to get specifically what I need; the search syntax is improved but the clause search is still isolated and multiple searches are required for what was a single search in Logos 9 . . . in short, this particular upgrade was a bit of a miss for me. That said, I do see how it could be a solid hit for others.

Side note: The inclusion of the Blackwell reception history commentaries is a great big hit with me and a major factor in my choice of package level.

DMB

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

don't know: I think the cheap academic; been months

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Really don't know (not joking). I don't remember anything that was worth it (memorable).

3. What caused you to buy serious upgrades in the past? (since '10' wasn't memorable0

Really useful stuff. Multiview, outlines, lexical formatting ... and more. Daily efficiency.

Brian Davidson

1. Yes.

2. Aesthetic improvements (chunky tool bar simplified and moved to the side), speed optimization (the support for Apple's M-series chips), simplified search syntax (this is so much better: lemma.g: or lemma.h:).

DMB

I wonder if we're mixing up 'Logos 10' and 'Software 22'? I was talking about '10'.

EastTN

1) Yes.

2) To stay current with the most current version of the software (this was less about the new features, and more about keeping up with the most recent fixes and refinements) and to take advantage of the discounts associated with the new base packages.

Bill

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Yes I have.

The reason for my upgrade was the hope of improved (fully developed) existing tools and features with improved user interface.

Each cycle some new big thing is added that needs more development it seems, and the last new things from before are seemingly left incomplete and forgotten or at least left without those finished edges that make them fully useful. Sermon Builder, Notes Tool, Factbook, are a few examples of tools that came out underdeveloped and still need additional development of some sort.

All that being said, I love Logos. It is the best. One thing I am especially grateful for in Logos 10 is the concerted effort being placed on improving the search process and helping me understand how to use it. This has made the biggest difference in my Bible study of all the other tools in Logos. Thank you!

Thank you all for your continued efforts to not only add new ways to study God's Word, but for your future and ongoing efforts also in sharpening the tools you have already given us.

Bill

Jim Snowden

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes
no but I plan to
no and I'm undecided
no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

I already have a large library with more books than I will ever read. Although some upgrades would give some interesting and probably useful additions particularly around commentaries, I couldn't convince myself before the end of the 30% discount period that it was for me a wise thing to spend the money on. I tried to!

Christian Alexander

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

1. No and I'm undecided.

2. I really want to upgrade but I am already in a longstanding payment plan and only want features. I have approx. 5000 resources in my library. The only features I would like to have is the print library. Even while some significant modifications would likely result in some fascinating and valuable additions, notably in the area of commentaries, I was unable to persuade myself to invest an additional $200 or so in features. I would like to have the print library and better word study information.

DAL

Yes, I upgraded.

Primary reason I upgraded was in hope of seeing better features on the sermon editor, but that hasn’t happened yet. See this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186839.aspx

DAL

Bruce Dunning

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

Yes!

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

I want to take full advantage of all that Logos has to offer and expand my library to be more effective when doing study.

Kiyah

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

1. Yes, I purchased the Full Feature Upgrade.

2. I was able to do a 10-day Verbum 10 free trial and I liked the new interface, especially the new toolbar. I liked the changes to the Search tool and have been happier and happier with each enhancement since then. I chose the Full Feature upgrade because I generally prefer to have all the new features and interlinears, but I really thought auto-translation and searching print resources would be helpful. The fact that I was able to get 35% off my upgrade price plus the $30 coupon off that price enabled me to get all the way to Full right away. Otherwise, I would a purchased a lower-level package and worked my way to full later with subsequent sales.

But in summary, being able to try the upgrade first for 10 days helped me decide to upgrade sooner rather than later. The Logos 9 toolbar was horrible and I was never happy with Logos 9 (most disruptive, bug-riddled version of my time as a Logos user starting with Logos 6), so Logos 10 was an instant improvement and the continued bug fixes and performance enhancements have been much appreciated. So maybe Logos 9 being so frustrating sped up my move to Logos 10. But I also genuinely like Logos 10 and think it's a great upgrade.

I will reiterate that I am very happy with Faithlife's recent commitment to bug fixes and urge you to continue down that path of fixing bugs without pushing out massive amounts of new ones as in the past. Logos is so much more pleasant to use and it will be good not to have to fear updates. For now, I still have automatic updates turned off and am thoroughly reviewing each update before installing, but keep up the good work. Hopefully Faithlife can rebuild my trust to the point that I feel comfortable turning automatic updates back on. I just want to see if there has been a true culture shift and different way of operating at Faithlife and that this is not a temporary phase before doing that.

Logos 10 has made me a happy Logos customer again, which I hadn't been since Logos 7. Logos 8 had a lot of great new features but was released in such an unfinished state that it overshadowed all of the great features that were added. Maybe there were too many new features planned for that release and that was the issue. So Logos 8 was always changing in major ways and it was hard to get used to it. Logos 9 was a trainwreck but I felt lulled into a false sense of security since it didn't initially seem like a big overhaul. But then Faithlife proceeded to break the software, jack up the toolbar, slow down its performance, and charge forward with pushing out more and more bugs faster than anything was being fixed. Logos 10 was the upgrade that many of us wanted Logos 9 to be, enhancements and refinement (lots of bug fixes) with some good new features. That's what L9 seemed like it would be after the major L8 overhaul but it wasn't. L10 solves that problem. That's why I upgraded. I wish I had skipped L9 altogether and gone straight from L8 to L10.

Wild Eagle

1. Yes

2. Hope to see corresponding highlighting notes on mobile app. Still waiting for it. Also, speed, curiosity of new features, discounted packages.

Rick

1. Yes

2. Logos 10 didn’t have any “must have“ features for me. I only paid for the full feature set because I don’t want to skip a couple of versions and then have to pay a ton of money to upgrade to a later version that includes a feature that I really want. For me, it’s simply more affordable to upgrade each time versus once every few versions.

Beloved Amodeo

Yes, but I don't believe your qualifiers fully accounts for my situation. I have Faithlife Connect Essentials and have paid for my features in advance. I have a large library and don't see any advantage to purchasing anymore packages nor do I reckon a Full Feature Upgrade is necessary.
I'm happy and fully satisfied with all of my decisions as stated above.

Justin Gatlin

Yes, but I don't believe your qualifiers fully accounts for my situation. I have Faithlife Connect Essentials and have paid for my features in advance. I have a large library and don't see any advantage to purchasing anymore packages nor do I reckon a Full Feature Upgrade is necessary.

I'm happy and fully satisfied with all of my decisions as stated above.

I got Baptist Gold and regular silver, I think, because they had a few resources that I wanted that cost more than the package, but otherwise I am here. At this point, switching away from Connect to buy the full feature set would be frustratingly expensive for me.

Ben

Three reasons: speed, speed, speed.

John McKenna

To be honest I didn’t know there was an upgrade to 10 until my 9 was automatically upgraded. I use my Logos at least 5 days a week and yesterday I noticed the change in the toolbar and checked the about box. I then went to the Logos website and frankly there wasn’t an easy way to compare what I have with what an “upgrade” charge will add in functionality and features.

I have been using Logos for decades, since it came on floppy disks, and believe it’s the best desktop tool on the market. Will I pay for an upgrade? Only if there are features in the software make it worthy of the expense. So, besides more new books in the packages, what new software features are activated in the paid upgrade?

Thank you.

Sean

1. Yes.

2. I upgrade because I want to stay current on features. I don't necessarily need to--I don't use the majority of Logos tools & features--but my needs may change in the future, and I don't want to be behind and potentially suddenly have to pay a lot to get current. With L10, it was the print library feature that most attracted me to get a full feature upgrade. I had no real reason to wait.

That's my reasoning, which actually probably works more to your (i.e., FaithLife's) benefit than mine.

But what always gets me excited for upgrades and always gets me to buy are the new library packages. My interests are wide-ranging and eclectic, and I've bought a different denominational base package each upgrade cycle. This one offered a package that included a long-awaited collection I had on pre-pub. Getting it in a base package got me a lot more additional resources at a good price, so that made the decision easy. That is the sort of thing I look for each upgrade cycle.

mike

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes
no but I plan to
no and I'm undecided
no and I plan not to
Yes, but this would probably my LAST UPGRADE. Because there's hardly any BIG features or improvements from L8 that was amazing. L10 was like a regular monthly upgrade for me.

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Just had small extra cash to burn. Nothing on features that justified my motive or needs that would make my normal study much better.

Allen Browne

1. Yes

2. The Academic packages contained resources I could use. (Picked up a few others as well.)

Rosie Perera

1. Yes

2. I don't know. Habit, I guess. Because it was there. Because I had money to burn. So that I could stay up-to-date. There was no must-have feature, though, nor did I need any new books.

GregW

1. Yes- but only the full feature set and an academic package.

2. There weren’t any must-have features for me, and none of the library upgrades felt worth upgrading what I already had. The library upgrades were quite expensive in my view to upgrade from my old Platinum to a new Platinum, and when I checked I wasn’t really getting resources I felt would provide much more than I already have. I recently retired and cancelled Connect, so I wanted to “lock in” the features I already had. I also value the Print Library feature, as I do have quite a large “dead tree” library.

Jack Hairston

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

Yes. I bought the full feature upgrade, and continue with Connect.

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

This is the best mix of cost and value for my needs. Since version 3, the two features that attracted me to Logos were Notes and Search. Most of the recent new features (ie: Factbook) are not useful for me. I continue to pay for Connect in the hope that it will keep Logos financially stable.

JBR

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

It's "3. no and I'm undecided" ... although maybe I am. We'll see.
I've taken several runs at trying to evaluate which L10 upgrade might be right for me. To this point I haven't found a value-compelling answer to upgrade and so I haven't.

abondservant

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?
Because of the print library features, which I really haven't hardly used yet, and I liked the faster architecture .net 6 brings to bear. Because I like to support Logos and their development going forward.

David Thomas

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Faithlife Connect subscription provides all the latest features and bug fixes. My existing library has all the resources I need, but I am always looking for new resources that are discounted at least 40% - looking forward to March Matchups

Lew Worthington

1. Yes.

2. There are lots of reasons, but the primary reason is just to use the latest features. (I often don't use them, but I'm always curious.) But there's also a tie for first in my hierarchy of reasons: I also wanted to round out some of the book collections in my library.

Lew

Brooks Cochran

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

Dave Hooton

1. Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

Yes

2. What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

I got Silver Feature Set because it has the features I need. The RI's in Full would be dead weight for me and I don't need Translate and Print Library.

Earl Sheneman

I think the answer to the first question would be "no but I plan to"

As far as the second question is concerned, I am a fan of Logos Bible Software and would like to keep up to date with it. The reason why I haven't already done so is I just didn't see any compelling reason to hurry as there didn't seem to be any new features that I really need that much.

This is not meant as a criticism in any way but I think just reflects the fact that it already pretty much does everything I need it to do. One of these days when I am bored and feel like spending a little money I will probably go for the feature set upgrade as I pretty much have all the books I need other than an occasional purchase here and there.

Kaye Anderson

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

I did upgrade to L10 features only. I have most books I need and plenty I don't need. I tend to buy those in small packages at separate times.

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

I wanted to try out the improved timeline and the search changes

Things that would get me to upgrade next time:

easier use of maps and more robustness to them

better formatted printing and more control over its output without "export and fiddle" - like putting headings in passage lists and then trying to print it with poorly dictated font sizing

being able to sort facet lists by alpha instead of by count in all tools that allow that left sided set of search lists, as I don't care which tag I use most but more which ones I have so I can use them better

user created virtual filters being usable in the mobile app because I use them instead of highlights and they are very useful in my desktop software to call out which "God" word is being used, whether "you" is singular or plural, etc., just by how the word is marked

Thanks!

Scott K

1. No, and I plan not to.

2. I've been using Logos since... the mid-1990s. I have a great core collection of books. With every new release I look over what's on offer and can't justify the cost to get some additional software features (most that I probably won't use) and some books that I don't need. So, the short answer is that I am content with what I have.

xnman

1. Yes I upgraded.

2. One of the main reasons was that I was told the Search function was improved. And Yes... it was improved.

Donn Heinrich

1. Yes, I purchased the Full Feature Upgrade and the Logos 10 Preaching Suite Essentials. I didn't purchase a base package because I couldn't justify it financially.

2. I wanted to stay up-to-date and support the company.

Frank Hodges

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

1. Yes, but also no, I only bought academic premium, so I only own the features that came with that. The only reason I did this is because I subscribe to FL Connect anyway, so there's no sense in me spending the extra money on feature upgrades that I essentially already have access to.
2. The primary reason for my Library Upgrades:

You guys have a tendency to add more than a few good new resources/sets to libraries that cause me to buy the whole library. Some examples: academic packages (they usually contain at least a few resources I'd like, and it usually ends up being just a bit more to buy the resources that I wouldn't mind having). Spectrum Multiview series caused me to buy silver. Perspectives and CCE caused me to buy Baptist. Carson's sermons and PTW commentaries caused me to buy Preaching Suite. The Berean courses caused me to buy BEP. And who knows what caused me to buy Counseling.

I should add, if it weren't for me having connect, I would have purchased the feature upgrades, mainly for print library and translation.

danwdoo

I'm a connect user so it wasn't exactly a choice [;)]. That said I would have upgraded for the following in no particular order:

New Search Simplified Syntax
General Performance Improvements ( I believe under the hood performance/reliability features are worth an upgrade even if they are not highly visible new features)
Timeline improvements...though now having worked with that a while I see this one still has a LOT of work needed.
Church History. Also a lot of work to go here but I like the possibilities.
As a side note, I've moved 100% to digital books for logistical reasons. Had I still had any paper books, the print library feature alone would have sold me on the upgrade.

mab

Yes I upgraded on day one and even though my library is pretty well-stocked, I have been truly blessed by the library concept when I need to dig deeper.

The speed boost is really great, the features I can use without much of learning curve after L9 are excellent and I finally feel that Logos just works for me.

I think I will feel better when all of the paid for integrations like the Hebrew Greek language integrations are in place. I am forever looking under the hood at the underlying text.

Fabian

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

No. I purchased Accordance 10 and the following versions, BW 10 (but I wanted start with 11, but as you know it never came out), Maybe Logos 11. Pro Logos 10: More German recourses, but not as much, I think I have to start now. Con Logos 10: My wishes/ feature requests aren't implemented, my complaints / reported bugs aren't solved.

First: Fill my needs, fix the bugs.

Fabian

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Yes for Logos 10 Ultimate purchase, which included Verbum 10 Ultimate
Forum discussions: especially search examples.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Matt Hamrick

Yes
To keep my library updated

Mike W

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Yes. Reason: simplified searches (I mostly use the IOS and web apps).

skypeace

Yes I first upgraded with the full feature set and over time various bronze and silver packages. Presently with over 9K volumes in my library I am not book poor, just enjoy having the references available if I need them.

I upgraded partly out of habit and partly desiring a better interface, increased speed and less bugs. I think I have gotten my monies worth as I feel an obligation to support Logos financially. Over the years I have witnessed many great Bible tools reach their end and feel an obligation to the industry.

Oh, and please integrate ZipScript into Logos. Thanking you in advance.

In His Love and Service,

Skypeace

SineNomine

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

1. Yes.

2. Libraries, Verbum and otherwise, that had stuff I wanted at prices I was willing to pay for them.

Gerald

1) 3

2) Don't see a real compelling reason to upgrade as I am a Connect subscriber. The mobile ed extras add value to me. I just purchased the 2 for $99 from my Logos 9 upgrade offer. I'm buying training resources over titles currently.

CRBoone

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

I don't know if my situation counts since I just upgraded from free basic 9 to Fundamentals 10. As a novice user with free basic 9, I mainly used Logos for note entry because I had come to appreciate the extensive tagging / anchoring / labeling functionality. However, I had difficulty viewing search results on my large-screen display because it didn't seem to scale correctly and only displayed 3-4 lines at a time -- not nearly enough to scroll through a list of results. So I typically consulted an external tool for searches and didn't really do much else with Logos. Once my free basic 9 upgraded to 10, that issue was corrected so that now I can perform searches in Logos exclusively. This greatly enhances my study and notes since I can stay within Logos and embed searches into the notes and actually use them. Navigating Logos 10 seems to be more streamlined as well. From that, I've committed to more use of Logos, purchased Fundamentals and have begun to utilize additional features: commentaries, text comparisons, attachments in notes, multiple layouts, etc. While these aren't high-level functions, the display and navigation improvements have been helpful enough for me to step into Logos more. So please note that taking the time to make even minor user-experience adjustments are very important as that gave me the motivation to use it more exclusively.

A couple of additional small improvements to the desktop would make it fully satisfying, and I've seen these requested by others: The ability to scale up the pop-up fonts in notes (and other places), allowing those pop-ups to display more text, and improve the navigation menu. With the pop-ups, it seems like there's this tiny little excerpt with a short amount of text to the point of being too little, too brief. And for examples of how to improve both, consider how the Logos iPad application does both. I realize the development environments are different so it may not be possible to duplicate them exactly.

Thank you for all of your hard work.

Willie

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

Yes. I purchased a Bronze package at the time of Logos 10’s release and I recently upgraded again to a Silver Feature Upgrade.

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Faithlife’s removal of the bright green Go button from the main application toolbar. Thank you Faithlife!

The bright green Go button on the main toolbar of Logos 8 and 9 was a very uncomfortable visual distraction for me as I tried to focus on resource text and perform program functions. It was so distracting that for several years in order to comfortably use the program, I had to hang a small strip of cloth from the top of my monitor to cover this button.

Had Logos 10 offered no other changes except the removal of the bright green Go button, I would have gladly purchased an upgrade. I utilized the free versions of Logos 8 and 9 but did not pay to upgrade. During that time, I began to question the wisdom of my investment because I feared that even more distracting UI changes would be introduced. However, once I saw images of Logos 10’s new toolbar in the optional top horizontal location, I immediately purchased an upgrade.

In addition to the removal of the green Go button and improved toolbar appearance, the option to choose the toolbar location was an important factor in my decision to purchase. This is because I initially suspected and later confirmed that I much prefer the top horizontal location which perfectly fits my needs. The left vertical toolbar even when collapsed to show only buttons adversely affected my layouts and also when collapsed appeared to my eyes to crowd the text or program functions in the pane next to it. However, I’m glad those users who like it have that option.

Logos 10 has been a joy to use. The design, color, and shade of the toolbar buttons as well as the toolbar background are comfortable for my eyes and the improved searching and program performance have been impressive. Although the UI improvements I’ve mentioned were my main motivation to initially upgrade, after several months of use I’ve come to realize the value of certain tools (such as the Theology Guide) that are not available in the Bronze package I purchased, so I upgraded again last week to a Silver Feature Upgrade. (I had no need for the Full Feature Upgrade’s auto-translation and print library features.)

The primary factor that would convince me to purchase additional upgrades in Logos 10 or pay for a future Logos 11 version would be if more UI customization options are added, especially an “auto hide” option for the main application toolbar similar to what is available in MS Word (for both top and side toolbar locations).

Terry

I was a Networkj Analyst and programmer, yet I find Logos too hard to use. I much prefer e-sword

Mike Childs

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

No, and I'm undecided. I love Logos Bible Software, and I have been a loyal Logos customer since Logos bought of the Old CDWord catalog from Dallas Theological back in the early 1990's. I took advantage of the upgrade offer at that time, and have been pleased ever since. I have great respect for Faithlife / Logos. It is my primary tool for study. I have upgraded every time until now.

I am not very interested in the "bells and whistles" added in each upgrade. Almost inevitably such additions to Logos become interpretive. I do not want Bible software to interpret the text for me. In particular, I hate the FACTBOOK feature. It constantly pops up when I do not want it, and it gets in my way and slows me down. Why in the world can there not be a cutoff for FACTBOOK?

For me Logos is primarily about the books, language tools, and outstanding commentaries.

Another reason I am undecided is that my present version of Logos seems to meet my needs. Also, I have semi-retired (though I still preach twice each Sunday.) However, my income is greatly reduced. I am not interested in taking on any debt. So, I have to think carefully about upgrading, when I am happy with the Logos that I have. Why not spend the little money I have available on books, rather than more features that I do not particularly like.

DMB

I am not very interested in the "bells and whistles" added in each upgrade. Almost inevitably such additions to Logos become interpretive. I do not want Bible software to interpret the text for me. In particular, I hate the FACTBOOK feature. It constantly pops up when I do not want it, and it gets in my way and slows me down. Why in the world can there not be a cutoff for FACTBOOK?

Yes!

MJ. Smith

In particular, I hate the FACTBOOK feature. It constantly pops up when I do not want it, and it gets in my way and slows me down. Why in the world can there not be a cutoff for FACTBOOK?

Factbook should never be popping up without your specifically requesting it. Can you give some examples of where it is popping up?

Donovan R. Palmer

1. Yes. I was slow this round due to cash pressures.

2. I am expanding my patristic studies and the version packages are generally some of the best value. Anytime there is a deep sale on packages, collections or journals, I usually buy something if I have the cash. I have faithlife connect essentials as well, so that keeps my core features set up to date

As far as the software goes, L10 was the best upgrade ever. The speed and UI is outstanding.

Debra W Bouey

Thank you, sir, for your service.

Ken Burns

Have you purchased an Logos 10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count): Yes
What was the primary reason for your upgrade decision? I mistakenly believed I could add my print library to Logos. You can NOT. All you get is a reference to your print library - possibly the volume and page number. If you have and older library there are not any barcodes in your volumes to scan. You can create bar codes with a bar code labeler and self-stick applicator by purchasing these independently.
If a reference is all you want, then you may find this upgrade useful. For me it was a total waste of money. Electronic copies are under a separate license so you can't get them with purchasing them separately,
I understand there is no subscription model so its very expensive for Logos to host the site for free. They count on the revenue from purchases of products. Im ok with this - they need revenue to stay operational (like payment plans),

Dave Hooton

I mistakenly believed I could add my print library to Logos. You can NOT. All you get is a reference to your print library - possibly the volume and page number. ...
For me it was a total waste of money

Why did you not return the product within the 30 day limit?

I understand there is no subscription model so its very expensive for Logos to host the site for free. They count on the revenue from purchases of products

There have been subscriptions called Connect (no longer available to new users). But have you not seen Get Early Access to Logos Pro and the long comment thread, together with a couple of other threads, about a projected subscription model in this forum,?

Gerald

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

1) 1

2) I wanted to be sure I have the ownership of the L10 data sets before subscriptions start. I did not purchase and resources, only the data sets.

Mike Childs

Yes, I did reluctantly upgraded to Logos 10, but only because there was an opportunity to add some books that I desired / needed available at a good price in the upgrade. For me, the decision to upgrade is all about the books. New features do not appeal to me.

Steven MacDonald

I wanted the latest version without all the new features without all the package books. And I like to support the upgrades to keep them financially healthy. I add books whenever I see one I like or a good deal.

Jack M. Tenney

It's critical that we're building solutions that you love and can't afford to be without.

To help us make sure we're doing that as effectively as possible, would you take a minute and answer these two questions?

Have you purchased an L10 upgrade (the free basic update doesn't count)?

yes

no but I plan to

no and I'm undecided

no and I plan not to

What's the primary reason for your upgrade decision?

Thank you!

1. Yes I have. I purchased Logos 10 Baptist Silver and then purchased the Full feature upgrade

2. Well, I was a long time user of WORDsearch Bible software and liked it very much. When they sold out to Logos I took the dive and I was pleasantly surprised at its functionality. The way that all my books were integrated into the Logos system in a timely manner was impressive. I have upgraded several times I think twice since coming from WORDsearch. I do purchase books that I am interested in and look forward to new features as they come along. One thing I like being is being able to purchase features as well as books. The dynamic pricing has made my Logos purchases affordable. With the subscription model you are proposing concerns me greatly. I am at a point in my life that this new model puts new Logos features out of reach for me. As long as I keep what I have in features I will be happy and I will continue to purchase books that interest me and will fulfill my needs as a retired but still preaching Pastor Emeritus.

Jack Tenney

Christopher Randall

1. Yes.

2. I upgrade because I want to stay current on features. I don't necessarily need to--I don't use the majority of Logos tools & features--but my needs may change in the future, and I don't want to be behind and potentially suddenly have to pay a lot to get current. With L10, it was the print library feature that most attracted me to get a full feature upgrade. I had no real reason to wait.

That's my reasoning, which actually probably works more to your (i.e., FaithLife's) benefit than mine.

What Sean said. I enjoy the print library part since I have lots of those.

Ben Lunsford

1 - no

2 - I shouldn't have to purchase upgrades to software platforms

I bought Libronix 20 years ago. With the constant upgrades, I'm not even sure I got my full library I had back then. The system CONSTANTLY wants to index my library when I haven't purchased a new book...really ever. (I'm not really a power user, lol)

I like the basic Bible study tools, but as I get ready to possibly update to 10, I'm checking on what that actually gets me.

Jonathan Bradley

1. Yes - through FLC

2. I don't remember which features specifically, but I know the print library thing was a hug sell for me, especially in how it would tell you where in the book, even giving a little of the surrounding paragraph/context so you'd know if it was worthwhile finding the book on your shelf (or in my case, in a box).

Dave Hooton

Welcome Ben

I like the basic Bible study tools, but as I get ready to possibly update to 10, I'm checking on what that actually gets me.

Too late. Subscription is the new direction for Logos as of Oct 21. You will undoubtedly have Q's about this, but create a new thread for that.

NB.Mick

Welcome Ben

I like the basic Bible study tools, but as I get ready to possibly update to 10, I'm checking on what that actually gets me.

Too late. Subscription is the new direction for Logos as of Oct 21. You will undoubtedly have Q's about this, but create a new thread for that.

@Ben,

Adding to what Dave wrote: The very last chance to get a 10 library (or / including a Feature Set) is this weekend or next week, prior to the Verbum subscription launch at 11/11: https://verbum.com/compare/packages/Verbum

EDIT: I saw today that the Logos 10 denominational libraries have been put up again - if I have seen this correct, they are now libraries without feature sets (like the Logos 5 through 9 Legacy Libraries). Those libraries are seemingly available to non-subscribers - the store search shows them to me (in logged-out-state) only when searching quite directly, such as "Logos 10 Gold" or "Logos 10 Baptist" with the quotes in the search.

Mike Childs

Yes, I did.

But I upgraded solely to add some of the books in the packages, and hopefully a bit more speed in the program. That is the same reason I have bought several legacy packages.

As I have too often stated, I will not be buying a subscription package.

Matthew Neale

Years ago I purchased Bible Explorer it had all of the commentaries I wanted and was very simple to use. I could easily set up windows for my Bibles, Commentaries, word search resources and misc. resources. Unfortunately the original cd and unlock floppy have been lost through the years as well as the books I owned on Quickverse. I was able to recover most of the lost books when everything was bought out by Lifeway and they worked with me to recover everything and it worked like I was used to. Now Logos has purchased Wordsearch and discontinued it. In it's place is a complicated program that doesn't do what I want, I can't find one of my favorite commentary sets and yet Logos wants me to spend additional money for what?

Justin Gatlin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1365429#Comment_1365429

Hi Matthew, you should have access to everything you owned in Wordsearch. If you are missing a commentary you owned, definitely email cs@logos.com and get customer service to fix it. If you need help setting up Logos to do what you need, there are lots of users who would be happy to help. You will probably get more responses if you make a new thread were you explain what you want to do that is too complicated and maybe we can help you find an easier way.