REGRESSION (Logos 23.2.35)" Typing a complete short book title into "Passage or topic" box no longer

In May of 2022, I wrote: "[Faithlife] did add some logic at some point to ensure that when I type 'The Message' in the Go box, it will always put Eugene Peterson's The Message first in the list, not any of the many resources that begin with 'The Message of...' I can't find the thread in the forums where that was discussed."

Unfortunately, that is broken again now. I still can't find the thread in the forums where I made my original report of this undesirable behavior.

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Dave Hooton

the new testament will pick up "The New Testament" (Aymer) but does not pick up "The New Testament: An Expanded Translation" unless you use quotes i.e. "the new testament" Even then, it misses other titles beginning with that phrase.

Andrew Batishko

Well, the first thing to note is that "The Message" is not actually the title of the book. The title is "The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language". So, it seems reasonable that it wouldn't necessarily know to pick that one book over the others that are shorter.

That said, I renamed that book to "The Message" and waited for my library to update, and it still didn't suggest that book, and search for that in the Library (and sorting by rank) also didn't put it very high in the results.

So, it does feel like there is something wrong with our sorting here. I've created a case to investigate.

I believe what changed is that the book used to have a default short title of "The Message". That was removed in November last year. You can fix this yourself by setting that as the short title of the book. I've made an inquiry about whether that short title should be put back.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250315#Comment_1250315

I believe what changed is that the book used to have a default short title of "The Message". That was removed in November last year. You can fix this yourself by setting that as the short title of the book.

Yes, that seems to have been what did it. I set the short title to The Message and now it works as expected, and as it used to work. I'm wondering why the default short title was removed. It seems to be the obvious choice for a short title for this book. But I'm happy to use my own short title if that's what it takes.

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250391#Comment_1250391

For Logos 10, we went through and made a number of adjustments to abbreviated titles. Because we want to be able to start displaying the abbreviated title along with the full title in places in the UI, it didn't make sense to have abbreviated titles like "The Message", because that would lead to UI that looks like "The Message: The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language"

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250457#Comment_1250457

For Logos 10, we went through and made a number of adjustments to abbreviated titles. Because we want to be able to start displaying the abbreviated title along with the full title in places in the UI, it didn't make sense to have abbreviated titles like "The Message", because that would lead to UI that looks like "The Message: The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language"

That's pretty easy to avoid in code. IF (abbreviated title) EQUALS (first few characters of full title) THEN don't display it in front of the full title.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250501#Comment_1250501

For Logos 10, we went through and made a number of adjustments to abbreviated titles. Because we want to be able to start displaying the abbreviated title along with the full title in places in the UI, it didn't make sense to have abbreviated titles like "The Message", because that would lead to UI that looks like "The Message: The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language"

That's pretty easy to avoid in code. IF (abbreviated title) EQUALS (first few characters of full title) THEN don't display it in front of the full title.

I prefer Rosie's solution to the current implementation.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250457#Comment_1250457

For Logos 10, we went through and made a number of adjustments to abbreviated titles.

My concern is the extent to which the default title will override the abbreviated title created by the user i.e. to what places in the UI are you referring? The other possibility is that you will ignore user titles when there is not a default abbreviated one. This can be disruptive to those who have built an extensive catalog of their own titles (full as well as abbreviated) because they want them sorted/displayed that way.