What is a good source on the refuation of Dispensationalism?
Hey Christian, I just picked up this resource yesterday.
A Case for Historic Premillennialism: An Alternative "Left Behind" Eschatology
There are tons of resources that FL has to offer. I'm sure others will jump on the band wagon in the next day or so.
Good luck,
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The Bible and the Future by Anthony Hoekema
Kingdom through Covenant by Wellum and Gentry
The Christ of the Covenants by O. Palmer Robertson
Understanding Dispensationalists by Poythress
I just read...A Case for Amillennialism by Kim Riddlebarger
Seconded. That's the book that finally clinched it for me. Not that I was ever really into dispensationalism, but I didn't know why I wasn't, and this helped a ton.
https://www.logos.com/product/62340/biblical-eschatology
This work is excellent. It is particularly useful in examining some of the hermeneutical presuppositions behind the varies schemes of interpretation. Unfortunately, it shows not presently available in Logos, but it's very useful if you can pick it up.
The Christ of the Covenants by O. Palmer Robertson Seconded. That's the book that finally clinched it for me. Not that I was ever really into dispensationalism, but I didn't know why I wasn't, and this helped a ton.
I just started this one...Introducing Covenant Theology by Michael Horton
https://faithlife.com/store/product/30723/introducing-covenant-theology
The Blessed Hope by George Eldon Ladd led me to consider other views.
What is a good source on the refuation of Dispensationalism? https://www.logos.com/product/62340/biblical-eschatology This work is excellent. It is particularly useful in examining some of the hermeneutical presuppositions behind the varies schemes of interpretation. Unfortunately, it shows not presently available in Logos, but it's very useful if you can pick it up.
Looks very interesting!
This is in pre-pub. Looks interesting.
The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle over the End Times Shaped a Nation
This is in pre-pub. Looks interesting. The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle over the End Times Shaped a Nation
Thanks for reminding me about that one. I'd gotten emails about it several times (who hasn't?) but decided to go ahead now and pull the trigger on it.
I wish one could see inside it already. At 400 pages it should be pretty meaty. Chronologically, the "fall" of American dispensationalism coincides with the resurgence of popular Calvinism. I am interested in seeing what the author does with that correlation. For anyone interested in the history of modern & popular theology, this is an important story.
Quick question: Does dispensationalism presuppose a pre-tribulation rapture?
As a new convert I believed dispensationalism for the first 5 years of being in the church. However, when I got serious about academia I eventually came to abandon this doctrine in favor of covenant theology (same can be said of exchanging pre-trib. for post-trib).
Is there a critical or exegetical work that addresses these two dogmas within Logos (😉)?
Not in Logos, but The Rapture Exposed by Barbara Rossing was good when I read it in a Library decades ago.
Of course, the best book to refute Dispensationalism is the Bible...
Quick question: Does dispensationalism presuppose a pre-tribulation rapture? As a new convert I believed dispensationalism for the first 5 years of being in the church. However, when I got serious about academia I eventually came to abandon this doctrine in favor of covenant theology (same can be said of exchanging pre-trib. for post-trib). Is there a critical or exegetical work that addresses these two dogmas within Logos (😉)?
The Meaning of the Millennium: Four Views is one, though it dates back to the late 70s. I believe there is an updated version. I just can't put my hands on it right now.
I agree 100%. Of course the best book for confirming Dispensationalism is the Bible. That's why we knock heads together over it.
Most "scholarly" resources are written from outside the Dispensationalist view. Pick a commentary at random, and you'll probably have a commentary that "leans" away from that position. I suspect you'll have more to choose from than the mind can comprehend.
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This is in pre-pub. Looks interesting. The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle over the End Times Shaped a Nation Thanks for reminding me about that one. I'd gotten emails about it several times (who hasn't?) but decided to go ahead now and pull the trigger on it. I wish one could see inside it already. At 400 pages it should be pretty meaty. Chronologically, the "fall" of American dispensationalism coincides with the resurgence of popular Calvinism. I am interested in seeing what the author does with that correlation. For anyone interested in the history of modern & popular theology, this is an important story.
"As is well known, the doctrine of the pretribulational rapture has been a key feature of dispensationalism. The argument given in this essay, however, is not particularly dispensational. The argument presented here is an interpretation of the relationship of the rapture to the day of the Lord in Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians, drawing out the tribulational meaning of the day of the Lord by means of a context established through clear intertextual connections. Hopefully, this is an argument that will prove helpful to dispensationalists and nondispensationalists alike. However, dispensationalists have typically brought other considerations to bear in their argument for a pretribulational rapture, considerations that contribute to the meaning and purpose of the rapture and its role in the unfolding plan of God as that has been understood by dispensational theology."Blaising, C. (2010). A Case for the Pretribulation Rapture. In S. N. Gundry & A. Hultberg (Eds.), Three Views on the Rapture: Pretribulation, Prewrath, or Posttribulation (Second Edition, pp. 68–69). Zondervan.
Appreciate the input & quotations from all. Dave’s quotation seems to affirm my suspicion regarding the inter-connectedness of these topics.
I don‘t know why the blood rises to the horse’s bridle w. these particular issues.
However, I guess the same could be said of any doctrinal discussion. God knows I’ve hurled my share of grenades over the years.
Well, for me it is pretty simple. What I hear from dispensationalists is that when things get really bad, those who have been true Christians will be raptured away - which goes against my understanding of what Jesus tells us, namely, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." (Mt 16:24, Mk 8:34, Lk 9:23) The Christian hope I see in the New Testament is not avoiding the bad things of the world. It is rather that these bad things that we see all too clearly are not the end of God's plan, and in Jesus coming here, he has transformed it into the birth pains of the Kingdom of God.
But I have already gone too far into theological debate and will sit on my hands instead of type more. But I hope this lets you see why MY blood rises at this. But before I go, I do hope that Dispensationalists don't get discipleship so wrong, and can share their understanding in a way that we Christians can actually mutually encourage each other. But we have a LONG way to go before that can happen.
I don‘t know why the blood rises to the horse’s bridle w. these particular issues. Well, for me it is pretty simple. What I hear from dispensationalists is that when things get really bad, those who have been true Christians will be raptured away - which goes against my understanding of what Jesus tells us, namely, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." (Mt 16:24, Mk 8:34, Lk 9:23) The Christian hope I see in the New Testament is not avoiding the bad things of the world. It is rather that these bad things that we see all too clearly are not the end of God's plan, and in Jesus coming here, he has transformed it into the birth pains of the Kingdom of God. But I have already gone too far into theological debate and will sit on my hands instead of type more. But I hope this lets you see why MY blood rises at this. But before I go, I do hope that Dispensationalists don't get discipleship so wrong, and can share their understanding in a way that we Christians can actually mutually encourage each other. But we have a LONG way to go before that can happen.
Interesting. Much to ponder here.
Appreciate the input Ken.
Bumping this thread as I read this book last weekend while travelling--and it is really good! It's more history than theology, so if you're looking for a detailed discussion of dispensational theology, this isn't the best resource to turn to. What it really excels at is tying together the threads of a rather involved story and giving a cohesive picture of it.
It covers up to very recent times. Logos Bible Software even gets a mention as a promoter of dispensational--which was certainly true in the earliest packages it offered!
Anything by Gary Demar. Logos has a few of them.
No, there are other rapture timing views within dispensationalism. Pre-trip, Mid-trib, Post-trib, and Pre-wrath are the ones I know of. There might be more. I spent years trying to figure out which of these views was the most Biblical. I eventually concluded that they are all based upon the same presuppositions that are wrong. If the underlying presuppositions of all of them are wrong, then they are all wrong.
It would be accurate to say that all dispensationalism pre-supposes the removal of the church at some point in the future. And this view presupposes a future tribulation.
