re: Palm Sunday
I just wanted to share this resource trail that started for me in Facebook for the concept Palm Sunday.
Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church to Egeria herself in the Ancient Christian Writers Series:
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Thanks for sharing that.
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Since Palm Sunday and Passion Sunday are now combined, in addition to the blessing of the palms, I also expect the Gospel to be chanted in three voices. And, yes, it is the homily that has to give up time to allow all 5 (formerly 7) services to occur with a single parking lot.
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MJ. Smith said:
Since Palm Sunday and Passion Sunday are now combined, in addition to the blessing of the palms, I also expect the Gospel to be chanted in three voices. And, yes, it is the homily that has to give up time to allow all 5 (formerly 7) services to occur with a single parking lot.
There are still some Benedictine communities who have three monks chant the Gospel today, and the Gospel for the Easter Vigil. [;)]
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(but you may need to arrive early or else find parking a good distance away...)
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Br Damien-Joseph OSB said:
There are still some Benedictine communities who have three monks chant the Gospel today, and the Gospel for the Easter Vigil.
I have not had the pleasure of attending a Holy Week service at a religious community. I guess it is an exception to normal holy days where they actually have shorter services than typical work days then?
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Ken McGuire said:
I have not had the pleasure of attending a Holy Week service at a religious community. I guess it is an exception to normal holy days where they actually have shorter services than typical work days then?
Shorter services? We haven't got anywhere else more important to be than here. [:)] Mass was 90 minutes long this morning. The Easter Vigil will come closer to three hours long. But our ferial masses on weekdays will be only about 40 minutes long, which isn't much longer than you'd find in a typical parish.
We're a Roman Catholic community, though. I have heard that some Orthodox divine liturgies will run up to 4 hours long! I hope to be able to be present at one some day.
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Br Damien-Joseph OSB said:
Shorter services? We haven't got anywhere else more important to be than here.
True enough. That is one thing I love about monks...
My experience is with a couple smaller communities where on ordinary days they have more and I think sometimes even longer services than Sundays and Holy Days, which while different from a typical parish, was explained to me that on Sundays and Holy Days they get to get time away from their work - doing essential work only. The work does need to be done, and an important part of the work of monks is prayer, but to celebrate, they cut it to essentials,,,
To use the example of one community. Weekdays they have 4 am Matins and 6 am Lauds which are combined into a 5:30 combined service on Sundays, and later in the day Sext and None are combined too for Sundays and Holidays. It has been a while since I was there to verify, but IIRC, their Psalms and readings (for Matins) are likewise arranged for the typical Sunday to be a light day. But then again, today and next week are hardly typical Sundays...
As for service length, your Mass was barely longer than the Lutheran Divine Service I attended at my parish this morning... I didn't get out the stopwatch, but with the added processional before the service and the full service itself, I am sure we would be pushing 80m. Of course, as a Lutheran congregation we probably stretch the service a bit differently. But when you have only a 8 am and 10:45 service with an educational time between, it is easy to take the time to let, well, everything happen...
I am lucky at my parish. We take the time to tell the story in the Easter Vigil instead of try to cram it into close to an hour like my previous congregation. In my experience Easter Vigil can either be a 75 m service that seems too long or a 2 hour (or longer) service that seems too short. We try to tell the whole story, and so the service seems to be too short - in a good way.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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Good Friday is the day I used to joke that the service ran 6:00 am to midnight with a few coffee/bathroom breaks. Tennebrae, Morning and Evening Prayer, Stations of the Cross, Tre Ore, Celebration of the Lord's Passion (Mass) which runs so long some claim they are being held hostage ... all that after Thursday's Adoration ended at midnight. I absolutely love Holy Week ... celebrating it in an Eastern Rite church is on my bucket list.
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