Absolutely useless information you were dying to know

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,858
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Using the search argument 1 OR 2 OR 3 OR 4 OR 5 OR 6 OR 7 OR 8 OR 9 OR 0 which assumes every cross reference includes at least 1 number and running against the search field cross-references for all English Bibles, I came up with the following cross-reference counts:

116 English Bibles use the cross-reference field

NIV        84,779 results

HCSB    84,245 results

LSB       79,566 results

NASB95 79,419 results   

ESV        68,394 results

NKJV      63,394 results

CSB        54,247 results

NRSVue  48,045 results

MEV        37,837 results

NABRE    27,334 results

NJB          25,043 results

...

Harwood         13 results

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

Comments

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭

    This whole subject of cross-references is 'new' to me. I never used them. The funny column in the middle of the Bible page. Instead, I read the footnotes. The more details, the better.

    And indeed, my habits remain rewarded, using NABre. Great footnotes.  Never noticed the cross-refs. Of course NET too.

    So, with Jerome's (Smith) enthusiasm, I tried out his volume. And indeed, it was rewarding ... but mainly his notes! I'll have to see how to alter my study.  Apparently, the Passage Guide strips his notes (cross-ref section).

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,858

    DMB said:

    Apparently, the Passage Guide strips his notes (cross-ref section).

    Actually, it simply gives a link to his work - top portion of the cross-reference section. The bottom portion of the cross-reference section comes from your Bibles and is stripped to a bare reference.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    Actually, it simply gives a link to his work

    Well, live and learn!  Looked like a heading.  NTSK does have an interesting grouping for 'mouth to mouth' in Num 12:8 (an interesting concept to be researched).  And at the bottom, all the body parts of the Deity.  Convenient!

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,131

    MJ. Smith said:

    Using the search argument 1 OR 2 OR 3 OR 4 OR 5 OR 6 OR 7 OR 8 OR 9 OR 0 which assumes every cross reference includes at least 1 number

    It is quick, but not accurate  e.g. in ESV

    • Gen 1:!  has 12 results vs. 13
    • Gen 1:6 has 1 result  vs. 4
    • the difference mounts up; and
    • Whole bible has 68,803 (68,394?)  vs. 87,138

    The proper query is  bible:Gen-Rev  (which has to change for other canons).

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,858

    I assumed that it was counting based on ";" meaning a new reference while "," meant the continuation of a reference - not necessarily how I would have defined it but at least definable.


    What am I missing?

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,131

    MJ. Smith said:

    What am I missing?

    Then you get 7 results  for Gen 1.9  vs. 5!

    You have to look for occurrences of a single integer  separated by space, hyphen -, or punctuation

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭

    “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,131

    So exactly what search term should be used?

    bible:Gen-Rev  (which has to change for other canons).

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13