BUG? Some links in Textual Searches section of Bible Word Study guide don't generate the proper

Mary-Ellen

I'm having a problem with some of the links in "Textual Searches," specifically,

• Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls,
• Patrologia Graeca, and
• Greek Classics.  

For the other links, when I click them, I get a Morph search of just that corpus.  But for these three, the links generate a Morph search of "All Books."  Is this specific to my set-up (and somehow I've broken this feature), or is it a Bug?

I got the idea from other forum posts that the corpus categories come from system Collections.  I don't have Collections with any of these three names.  (Is it possible to delete system Collections?)  I do have a series Biblical Dead Sea Scrolls, and when I change the Morph search to that, I get the same number of results as the guide section.  I also have a series Patrologiae Cursus Completa (but not Patrologia Graeca), and when I choose that for the Morph search, I get the same number of results as the guide section for Patrologia Graeca.  When I type in the search box Greek Classics, I only get a long list of individual resources (2nd screenshot below).  When I run the Morph search against them, I don't get the same number of results as the Greek Classics guide section (final screenshot).

Graham Criddle

Is this specific to my set-up (and somehow I've broken this feature), or is it a Bug?

I get the same results - I think it's a bug

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256176#Comment_1256176

Thank you, Graham, for confirming!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256177#Comment_1256177

More like a serious bug ... trying your examples out crashed my Verbum!  No reported survivors.

The crashing bug is not easy to replicate ... looks like when the collection name isn't right/named, after several times, even a book correctly named crashed (eg Josephus).

MJ. Smith

I think it is more screwed up than that:

LXX searches all books

New Testament searches NA28 i.e. single text

Apostolic Fathers searches only Holmes

Patrologia Graeca searches only Logox LXX ...

in short the section gives rather random results on selected resources

Verbum 25.0 Beta 4 on Windows 11

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256182#Comment_1256182

DMB, so sorry for your crash!  I hope there were no serious injuries.  [:)]

MJ, I think I gathered from other forum posts in years past that prioritized resources affect the results, which fits with your findings (and mine as well, for those types, except Patrologia Graeca).

Thank you both for chiming in.  Maybe this will give the developers some clues as they look under the hood.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256182#Comment_1256182

My LXX searched all books, but later, just Rahlfs.  There seems to be something in the code, not just a misplaced search target.

Also, at least offline, the Books search just goes into eternal search; have to kill each one. I assume it wants an online something.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256194#Comment_1256194

My LXX searched all books, but later, just Rahlfs.  There seems to be something in the code,

I agree. It behaves like runaway code bouncing randomly through the function.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256182#Comment_1256182

My findings in bold, below

LXX searches all books  - preferred LXX

New Testament searches NA28 i.e. single text  - preferred GNT

Apostolic Fathers searches only Holmes  - preferred Apostolic Fathers  (don't have Holmes)

Patrologia Graeca searches only Logox LXX ... - N/A

in short the section gives rather random results on selected resources  - can't agree

Verbum 25.0 Beta 4 on Windows 11  - ditto

Pseudepigrapha  - used the only Greek resource I had

Preferred means I actually prioritized different resources

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256213#Comment_1256213

Dave, do you consistently get the same results? I do not.

Lawrence Rafferty

Thank you for the detailed report. The links in the Textual Searches guide section correctly encode the books to search, but the Morph Search selector incorrectly ignores them when the Search panel opens. The fix will ship in v26 Beta 1.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256230#Comment_1256230

Dave, do you consistently get the same results? I do not.

Lawrence has agreed there is a problem, but my results were consistent during the time I sought to reproduce your results (I use Send searches here).

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256313#Comment_1256313

Thank you, Lawrence, for getting right onto the issue.  Can you describe for us how the Textual Searches guide section identifies the books to search?  Is it based on system Collections, or Logos-defined Series, or prioritized resources, or some variation of all of the above, or ... ?  I.e., how can users know what resources are being included (or not) in the Textual Searches guide section, and to what extent do users have control over what resources are searched?  

Lawrence Rafferty

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256340#Comment_1256340

Is it based on system Collections, or Logos-defined Series

For most corpora it is curated metadata specifically designed to target the Textual Searches section. A few use a combination of heuristics.

or prioritized resources

I didn't check exhaustively but it looks like most sections are searching all targeted resources, not only the most prioritized.

I.e., how can users know what resources are being included (or not) in the Textual Searches guide section

I don't think the system exposes this directly. You can see what resources are searched that have results, but that doesn't help to identify resources that might have results for a different lemma. Searching for a common lemma may be a good approximation.

to what extent do users have control over what resources are searched?  

I think the most important thing to note is that it currently only searches in downloaded resources.

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256353#Comment_1256353

Thanks, Lawrence, helpful information.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1256353#Comment_1256353

or prioritized resources

I didn't check exhaustively but it looks like most sections are searching all targeted resources, not only the most prioritized.

Lawrence,

My findings above show that my preferred resource is used in each section. I ran another test today with the same results, even getting it to use the Alternate Texts version of my OT Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology (using one of its lemmas). Note that I use "Send searches here".