Logos 11

We are less than a year and a half from the expected release of Logos 11, probably on October 7th or 14th, 2024.

What would you like to see improved?

One of my dreams is a SEPARATE prioritization tool that is easier to use and more organized.

What are yours?

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Sam Shelton

I long to see a Restoration Movement package of some sort.

NB.Mick

We are less than a year and a half from the expected release of Logos 11, probably on October 7th or 14th, 2024.

I don't think we'll see Logos 11 in 2024 - we're currently at Logos 24, and it may be Logos 50 (or Logos L by then. However, the change to the numbering was made intentionally to uncouple software versions from libraries. This may mean that major library releases won't follow the two-year cycle any longer, but come in other frequencies (maybe yearly?). On the other hand, new software features may come in any release down the road.

One feedback item concerning prioritization (and there may be several of them) is currently ranked #13 in most voted for desktop app: https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/prioritize-resources-by-type (noting, that technically prioritization works on indexes not resource types, and said indexes are exposed in the information tool, but not the library - yet. Simply exposing those in the library and having us prioritize by index would be much more straightforward and also prevent current hickups like prioritizing a bible that contains a tiny glossary and thus stealing the priority of a bible dictionary).

If many people can convince FL of their eagerness to have a changed feature and a workable smart solution, it may even come before end of 2024.

DMB

One of my dreams is a SEPARATE prioritization tool that is easier to use and more organized.

I think you're indeed dreaming. 'Easier'? More organized? Not with current staff.

One thing I've learned over the Logosian years, is don't ask for improvements (smiling). Text Comparison, Advanced Timelines, and many more.

Jerry Bush

I long to see a Restoration Movement package of some sort.

They could do that apart from a major version release. I am surprised that they haven't yet as it is a sizable segment of the Body of Christ.

Jerry Bush

We are less than a year and a half from the expected release of Logos 11, probably on October 7th or 14th, 2024.

I don't think we'll see Logos 11 in 2024 - we're currently at Logos 24, and it may be Logos 50 (or Logos L by then. However, the change to the numbering was made intentionally to uncouple software versions from libraries. This may mean that major library releases won't follow the two-year cycle any longer, but come in other frequencies (maybe yearly?). On the other hand, new software features may come in any release down the road.

You are totally right - I am still not used to the new version approach. There will never be a Logos 11!

But I assume they will do some major release every two years as they have in the past. They need to so revenue can be generated (not saying that is wrong at all).

xnman

One of my dreams is a SEPARATE prioritization tool that is easier to use and more organized.

I think you're indeed dreaming. 'Easier'? More organized? Not with current staff.

One thing I've learned over the Logosian years, is don't ask for improvements (smiling). Text Comparison, Advanced Timelines, and many more.

Wellll.... I don't know about that. I do know that in L9 there was a major discussion about the search in L9 and how it stunk. FL listened and the earch we have now is definitely much improved over L9....

Ken McGuire

Wellll.... I don't know about that. I do know that in L9 there was a major discussion about the search in L9 and how it stunk. FL listened and the earch we have now is definitely much improved over L9....

Probably for most people. I get frustrated at how the (admittedly arcane) search syntax I learned from Logos 4 through 9 doesn't work anymore.

DMB

Wellll.... I don't know about that. I do know that in L9 there was a major discussion about the search in L9 and how it stunk. FL listened and the earch we have now is definitely much improved over L9....

After 10+ years, they listened and that's all the search ease you got? Serious? As the forum experts try to untangle the syntax, almost daily.

Mike Tourangeau

Probably for most people. I get frustrated at how the (admittedly arcane) search syntax I learned from Logos 4 through 9 doesn't work anymore.

Yes! I wish they both worked. I type the old one, then click the suggested one.

xnman

Wellll.... I don't know about that. I do know that in L9 there was a major discussion about the search in L9 and how it stunk. FL listened and the earch we have now is definitely much improved over L9....

After 10+ years, they listened and that's all the search ease you got? Serious? As the forum experts try to untangle the syntax, almost daily.

As for me.... Search works now where it didn't before... I'm thankful for the little things.... It took my mother many years to raise me... I'm glad she didn't give up... [8-|]

Brian Kent

To have my prioritized series no longer prioritize the first editions if I own a revised edition.

Josiah Young

I don't think we'll see Logos 11 in 2024 - we're currently at Logos 24, and it may be Logos 50 (or Logos L by then. However, the change to the numbering was made intentionally to uncouple software versions from libraries. This may mean that major library releases won't follow the two-year cycle any longer, but come in other frequencies (maybe yearly?). On the other hand, new software features may come in any release down the road.

You are totally right - I am still not used to the new version approach. There will never be a Logos 11!

But I assume they will do some major release every two years as they have in the past. They need to so revenue can be generated (not saying that is wrong at all).

My "About Logos" stuff from the program menu shows three iterations: software, feature set, and base package. The software is past 27.x.x now, but the feature set still shows Logos 10, and my base package is lower because I buy resources a la carte and focus on feature packages. So it might be possible to get a major release of Logos 11 Feature Set that may include a package, but still is separate the ongoing software updates.

There are a lot of great suggestions in the Feedback forum, many of which have over 200 votes. I hope those get prioritized! And for everyone here wanting a "prioritization feature" upgrade, there is a request you can upvote here (it's not mine, but I've voted on it).

DAL

Wellll.... I don't know about that. I do know that in L9 there was a major discussion about the search in L9 and how it stunk. FL listened and the earch we have now is definitely much improved over L9....

After 10+ years, they listened and that's all the search ease you got? Serious? As the forum experts try to untangle the syntax, almost daily.

He’s obviously late to the party and thinks that is actually an improvement, but in reality FL hasn’t been listening. Until they do something about the rudimentary sermon so called “Editor“ which doesn’t “Edit” that much, they haven’t been listening in my book! Here’s proof that nothing has been done to improve the “sermon editor” — https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186839.aspx

DAL

Jonathan Bradley

Auto Dark mode (without having to restart)

Having something other than a "note" file for highlights. It makes me think I've taken a lot more notes than I really have. (If there's a fix for this, please let me know)

I'm sure there are others that I'll think of.

Thomas Winter

a more useable Atlas.

I'd really like an option to have a static map of the Holy Land, for example, in which I can find various places without jumping from one map to another.
Something like a static base on which the cities, mountains, etc. would overlay UPON DEMAND, and NOT open a new atlas page each time. It would be great to show and remove current national boundaries, too. This would probably need five or more "base" maps, depending on what portion of Scripture one is searching. I'd like it to simply indicate the places as requested. In this way, I could show Bethel and Haran (for example) in one map without guessing which map might (or not) show what I need. I confess that I use internet tools more often because they are faster and give me what I need, and this seems rather silly.

GaoLu

The internet has gotten better, and now with ChatGPT, well...

I am not sure all the enhancement of tags, "value-added" features, and handfuls of Logos gadgets are as essential as they once were. Some definitely are--but those are done. The vast kinds of books being added recently don't need that stuff. And, I don't want them cluttering my Bible study.

I would say make searching that exists easier so the bulk of searches are better, quicker, and more reliable than ChatGPT et. al. Otherwise, the inevitable will happen.

Make the interface snappier.

Provide useful maps that work.

Spend less time on esoteric searches and tools and resources.

Don't make Logos a more-expensive Amazon. Keep it doing what it has always done best, digging out reliable information from trustworthy resources. Keep Logos about ministry and do not try to make it a profit-hog. Otherwise, it won't be any of that for long.

EastTN

I am not sure all the enhancement of tags, "value-added" features, and handfuls of Logos gadgets are as essential as they once were. Some definitely are--but those are done. The vast kinds of books being added recently don't need that stuff. And, I don't want them cluttering my Bible study.

Agree

I would say make searching that exists easier so the bulk of searches are better, quicker, and more reliable than ChatGPT et. al. Otherwise, the inevitable will happen.

Agree

Provide useful maps that work.

Strongly agree.

I would say the same thing about the timeline. I recently taught through Ezekiel and Daniel, and ended up making timelines by hand in PowerPoint, because I could not find a way to make a simple, focused, attractive timeline in the Logos tool. (And even if I could, I'm not sure I could have easily exported it into my slide deck.)

Don't make Logos a more-expensive Amazon. Keep it doing what it has always done best, digging out reliable information from trustworthy resources. Keep Logos about ministry and do not try to make it a profit-hog. Otherwise, it won't be any of that for long.

Strongly agree.

Sam Shelton

...digging out reliable information from trustworthy resources.

You have hit on my main concern with the “chatbot” revolution of late. While the future may hold a better experience, I find that I cannot trust the information shared. I do not have these concerns when I do my searching within Logos. The search may take a little bit longer, but I trust the legitimacy of the information found. Instead of a quick answer cobbled together from who knows where, I have specific answers from verifiable resources that I can study and then decide on my own what to take as true — or at least, decide what I would like to study further in seeking truth.

So far, the undertaking Logos has made in incorporating AI appears to stay true to this manner of search and study. It is my hope that Logos continues in this vein.

xnman

To stay with the original question... I (me, personally) would like to see...

1. Improvements in Passage Lists... (and before you ask, I'll leave it at that)

2. I hope the "new experimental search" will be more of a help than a "learning function".

3. I think "Cross References" could be broadened in it's scope... and possibility of user being able to have their own "cross reference" file to be incorporated into "Cross References".

4. I would still like to see Logos incorporate "WordSearch ZipScript" into it's Bible Verse Copy.

Edit:

5. I would like to see better tab bar colorization to better denote where the tab bar is in multiple book layouts on screens.

Mike Childs

I would like an option to keep Factbook closed and out of my way.

I do not like your Factbook, Logos. I do not like it at all. It keeps jumping in my way. If I need a fact, I prefer to find it in a resource that I know and trust.

Thankyou , very much.

xnman

I would like an option to keep Factbook closed and out of my way.

I do not like your Factbook, Logos. I do not like it at all. It keeps jumping in my way. If I need a fact, I prefer to find it in a resource that I know and trust.

Thankyou , very much.

Amen and Amen!!!

Scott

Agree with just about all of these suggestions.

My top suggestions are:

1) Rolling Notes, Notebooks, all Document types, and Sermon Editor/Builder into one all-inclusive word processor. Similar to Evernote, OneNote, or another note taking app. None of the current functions or systems would be lost, but it would all be rolled into one place with full word processing capabilities. You can do your Sermons, Clippings, Notes, Passage Lists, Canvas, Diagrams, and all Document types from this one word processing suite. You could even write essays now. Full linking, anchoring, and all other ecosystem features that already exist. Maybe name it Documents or Docs. All you'd have to do is open a new Doc and at the top, select Doc type (Sermon, Note, Diagram, etc.), assign a Notebook (if applicable), assign any Tags and you're good to go. If you've ever used Evernote or OneNote, then you know what I'm talking about. Maybe Logos can contract with one of those companies to build it into Logos? There was/is an entry for something like this on the Feedback site. It was a very popular suggestion.

2) Improvement of Search and AI within Logos. Whether we agree with it or not, AI is here and Logos better move quickly on AI or they will lose users. Besides, I shouldn't have to go to the secular internet or chatbot when we invested a lot of money in a 'powerful' faith based software. Ten years isn't going to cut it with this one. Five years would also be too slow. Maybe Logos can contract with an AI company to improve the Search and AI capabilities within Logos? Maybe a company like XAI? Elon Musk has been very faith friendly and against censoring ideas and speech. Regardless, Logos better move quick on this one.

3) We ought to be able to use SHIFT + ARROW KEYS to move the text selection or highlight. AFAIK, we currently can only move the text selection or highlight with the mouse. Correct me if I'm mistaken here. However, this is a basic function on just about all OS's and software.

Scott

There was/is an entry for something like this on the Feedback site. It was a very popular suggestion.

Narrator: And it was the top ranked Feedback item.

https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/paper-builder

But, as I mentioned, I don't think it should be yet another separate tool nor should we call it Paper Builder, call it something all inclusive like Documents or Docs.

Michael

I would very much like to see AI technology integrated into Logos search capabilities. I.e. I would like to be able to type a sentence like, "give me every instance in my library where fasting is discussed as a topic, rather than just briefly mentioned." I know that there is currently search capabilities such as the Subheadings search that may do something similar, but I feel like there is likely a lot being missed in the search results.

Furthermore, this could also help Logos to sell more resources if this sort of search capability / AI assistant were trained on their store resources as well. If the AI assistant not only pulled up the results to my inquiry from my own library but was also able to tell me what resources that I don't currently own that correspond to my search inquiry, I might be inclined to purchase something that I don't already own.

MJ. Smith

I would very much like to see AI technology integrated into Logos search capabilities.

This was tested on the web in beta in December(?) as is in the current desktop beta version which is in the 2nd week of a 6 week cycle.

xnman

I, as I am sure others have, have seen and am seeing lots of displeasure, complaints, questions about Search. I'm there also. If there is one single thing that needs to be improved in Logos, in my mind it is the Search and the deleting of Factbook forever.

Having said that... Mark Barnes and crew are working on a "smart search" which is being targeted for vs 32. Dave Hooten pointed this out to me... So we should soon have a better Search. I hope, I hope, I hope!

Good things are coming!! But then, I'm a hopeless optimistic romantic! [8-|]

Edit: Here is the answer Dave Hooten gave... Check Here.

Yasmin Stephen

f there is one single thing that needs to be improved in Logos, in my mind it is the Search and the deleting of Factbook forever.

Why delete Factbook? Strange as it may seem, there are some of us who actually like the Factbook or, at the very least, have no problem with it, and for whom deletion would not be an improvement. If you don't like it or have no use for it, it's easy enough to ignore it by (a) not going directly into the Factbook itself and (b) turning off the Factbook tags (for individual resources or for all books). That seems easy enough, or maybe I'm missing something (often, I am!).

Depending on what I'm working on, I can go days and days without encountering Factbook, which leads me to infer that I can probably ignore it forever if I wanted to, and all without desiring that Logos delete it.

Like you, I am excited about the smart search being tested right now, and the summarization functionality as well; I'm really looking forward to these two features.

DMB

... and the deleting of Factbook forever.

Yes! It's like playing dodgeball ... it's all over the place. Until you need it. Then, not. Right-click a monograph ... Factbook's lost in space ... dictionaries work, though. Smart little puppies.

I don't see other users need to be impacted ... just optionalize it. Free up space all over the place.

My dislike is actually theological ... it's late 1900s Christianity packaged to look intelligent. Vs spiritual.

MWW

If there is one single thing that needs to be improved in Logos, in my mind it is the Search and the deleting of Factbook forever.

I use Factbook on occasion, and I like it.

Michael

How do I sign up to use the Beta?

Graham Criddle

How do I sign up to use the Beta?

Details are at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/52967.aspx - but please do note the warnings in that post.

Anderson Abreu

At this point in the year (April 2024), we already have some previews of what's coming to Logos "11" (intelligent search by AI, summary and insights panels, and the application and illustration panel in the sermon builder).
However, nothing else new has appeared so far in terms of polishing and simplifying the interface and usability (apart from smart search).

I believe that Logos has suffered from an overload of data and functions over the last 10 years and it is urgent to make it all talk to each other and integrate in a simple way. More often means less and less means more.
I'd like to see some things in terms of polishing:

(1) A cleaner interface like at the time of Logos 4. I remember that the first time I saw Logos 4 I thought it was fantastic because I came from Libronix 3 which was very polluted and confusing. But over the last 10 years Logos has added more and more buttons to the top bar (now on the vertical left) without giving us the option of removing the buttons we don't use. The option to delete these buttons would be welcome.

(2) Better group the book navigation buttons into one or two horizontal bars without creating more and more. For example, the auto-translation panel has too many horizontal bars taking up precious space and polluting everything. Check out this suggestion in Feedback and vote if you think it's good: link.

(3) Have the option to hide the horizontal navigation bar and buttons etc. from the books/resources. Microsoft's Office programs today all have this option, allowing you to hide the "ribbon" and leave only the tab visible. When you need something, just click on the tab and the ribbon appears. This would make the Logos cleaner and save space. See also this in Feedback Feedback.

(4) Have a more efficient sermon builder. The sermon text builder is very limited in terms of formatting. For example: it doesn't have line and paragraph spacing options like Microsoft Word and the fonts and colors are very limited.

(5) Have a more efficient notepad. The text builder here is also very limited in terms of formatting as in the sermon builder. And it could implement markdown format like the one used in the Obsidian software. See this idea in the Forum and in Feedback for discussion and voting.