Daily Study Bible - NT on pre-pub
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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What I would like to know is how this new edition differs from the previous Logos revised edition. The Logos page entry is not helpful on this. The previous Logos edition was a revised version which differed from the original Barclay Study Bible. Is it the case that the New edition on Pre-Pub - is a
completely new set of works, so significantly revised, updated, and
edited that it is widely considered a distinct work from the previous Logos revised edition?Some how I doubt this, has anyone got any more info on this? Thanks
(Of course the Pre-Pub page reads "it is widely considered a distinct work from the original Barclay Study Bible")
Ted
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Ted,
The New Daily Study Bible contains completely updated language and new illustrations for a contemporary audience. It also also been significantly revised and edited from cover to cover.
In the past, revised editions of the original Barclay Study Bible were available from Logos. For example, the volume on Corinthians was first published in 1954 and a revised edition was published in 1975. The New Daily Study Bible volume on Corinthians, however, was published for the first time in 2002.
Hope this helps clarify things a little. Let me know if you have any questions.
Kent
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Thanks Kent. To the Pre-Pub page I go. Blessings.
Ted
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Ted Hans said:
Thanks Kent. To the Pre-Pub page I go. Blessings.
Ted
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I have been already there...
Bohuslav
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Kent Hendricks said:
In the past, revised editions of the original Barclay Study Bible were available from Logos. For example, the volume on Corinthians was first published in 1954 and a revised edition was published in 1975. The New Daily Study Bible volume on Corinthians, however, was published for the first time in 2002.
Seems that my Logos editions all have a date of 2000 associated with them (no I haven't checked them all) even my copy of 1 & 2 Corinthians. I assume I have the most recent revisions.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark A. Smith said:
Seems that my Logos editions all have a date of 2000 associated with them (no I haven't checked them all) even my copy of 1 & 2 Corinthians. I assume I have the most recent revisions.
Mine have the following citation:
The letters to the Corinthians. 2000 (W. Barclay, lecturer in the University of Glasgow, Ed.). The Daily study Bible series, Rev. ed. Philadelphia: The Westminster Press.
But show a copyright of 1975. Is this the same information you have Mark?
Blessings,
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Floyd Johnson said:
Is this the same information you have Mark?
Yes it is. The file for that one is dated 2006-03-23T20:58:23Z.
All my NT ones have 'Revised Edition' in the title. The OT ones do not (but they are not in pre-pub as I write).
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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This, then, is different from the 2002 edition mentioned above and being made available in Pre-Pub? I have placed my Pre-Pub order, knowing I can cancel if I find that I am understanding incorrectly.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Mark A. Smith said:
Seems that my Logos editions all have a date of 2000 associated with them (no I haven't checked them all) even my copy of 1 & 2 Corinthians. I assume I have the most recent revisions.
Seems Kent is saying it is a different work from what you have now in your Logos Library. I have the same Logos edition as you.
Bohuslav Wojnar said:
I have been already there...
Some how I thought you would visit that page[;)].
Ted
1 Corinthians 1:1–3Paul, called by the will of God to be an apostle of Jesus Christ, and Sosthenes, our brother, write this letter to the Church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been consecrated in Christ Jesus, to those who have been called to be God’s dedicated people in the company of those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus—their Lord and ours. Grace be to you and peace from God, our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.In the first ten verses of Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians the name of Jesus Christ occurs no fewer than ten times. This was going to be a difficult letter for it was going to deal with a difficult situation, and in such a situation Paul’s first and repeated thought was of Jesus Christ. Sometimes in the Church we try to deal with a difficult situation by means of a book of laws and in the spirit of human justice; sometimes in our own affairs we try to deal with a difficult situation in our own mental and spiritual power. Paul did none of these things; to his difficult situation he took Jesus Christ, and it was in the light of the Cross of Christ and the love of Christ that he sought to deal with it.Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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Floyd Johnson said:
This, then, is different from the 2002 edition mentioned above and being made available in Pre-Pub?
I think we need to hear from Logos on this. Maybe Kent will be able to help. I wonder if there was an additional revision between 2000 and 2002 whether that would be worth an upgrade, and if so, would Logos and Westminster offer upgrade pricing?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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It appears that these are simply a re-typeset edition, similar to what IVP did with the Tyndale commentaries. It does not appear that the wording has been changed from what little I have been able to see.
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BobbyTerhune said:
It appears that these are simply a re-typeset edition, similar to what IVP did with the Tyndale commentaries. It does not appear that the wording has been changed from what little I have been able to see.
Call me confused now! I have the previous Logos revised edition, I was under the impression the New Daily Study Bible was significantly different. Am i missing something or not understanding what Kent is saying?
Ted
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Agreed Ted, Very confusing. Where are the sample pages so we can tell if purchasing this new set is really good stewardshp or not. It's great this is available for those who didn't get it last time (and I hope it is successful for those in that situation) but as one who already owns the older, would much rather put my budget into a resource I don't own to get it over the production line, unless there really is something significantly different about this, modernized wording may not be enough of a significance. Ordered for now in hope of more clarification on this resource. But if I have to make a tough decsion between this and another pre-pub, particularly without further info, this will be the one that doesn't make it into my library.
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I've done a little comparing of snippets from the new editions on Amazon using the Look Inside feature for the first volume in Luke. So far I see no differences. The editors have stopped using the i., ii., iii. form of outline and have replaced it with 1, 2, 3 and so on, but that is all I have noticed.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Ted,
I'll do some more digging on this and post some specifics. Also, the 2000 date of the original refers to the electronic publication, not the print publication date.
Kent
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There are three key differences between the old and the new (and lots of other minor ones).
1. The New Daily Study Bible contains modernized English language. Words and phrases that made sense in the 1950s and 1960s when these volumes were first published have been changed to more current forms.
2. The out-of-date cultural comparisons have been updated. For example, Near Eastern monetary values and their equivalents to 1960s British currency. These kinds of comparisons are not helpful for modern readers.
3. In Barclay’s original, quotations and illustrations were taken from British literature and hymnody of the era. These have been updated to make sense to a contemporary audience.
Here’s a quick comparison from the volume on Corinthians. The commentary in the New Daily Study Bible is substantially the same as the original, but it’s been put into updated language for contemporary readers.
Barclay Study Bible:
The very word Korinthiazesthai, to live like a Corinthian, had become a part of the Greek language, and meant to live with drunken and immoral debauchery. The word actually penetrated to the English language, and, in Regency times, a Corinthian was one of the wealthy young bucks who lived in reckless and riotous living.
New Daily Study Bible:
The very word korinthiazesthai, to live like a Corinthian, had become a part of the Greek language, and meant to live with drunken and immoral debauchery. The word also entered the English language, and, in the early decades of the nineteenth century, in Regency times, a Corinthian was one of the wealthy young men who indulged in reckless and riotous living.Because the text is different, we are building the electronic resource from scratch. Because this is a large project, we are posting this on Pre-Pub to see if there's enough interest in doing this.
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'wealthy young bucks' - you can't improve on that!
Any idea about upgrade pricing if this gets into production?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Thanks for getting the Daily Study Bible again! I know that a lot of users have been requesting it for quite some time.
Ron
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Kent Hendricks said:
Because the text is different, we
are building the electronic resource from scratch. Because this is a
large project, we are posting this on Pre-Pub to see if there's enough
interest in doing this.Thanks for responding to our queries Kent. I appreciate this is being done from scratch, is a large project and going to cost. I don't want to take away from the project in anyway either as I know there are those who don't have access to this resource that would like access and I hope it does get across the line for those people. But given I purchased this many years ago in LL2 format as a stand alone resource, and didn't simply get a license for it as part of the base package it was once offered I don't see enough of a difference in the language to justify paying for it again at the pre-pub price.
Mark A. Smith said:'wealthy young bucks' - you can't improve on that!
Any idea about upgrade pricing if this gets into production?
I have to agree the original text is fairly explanatory.
As a side I did a search on the term buck in the context of 'Corinthian' within the series and found a similar usage that adds futher light on what the author intended when using these terms:
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Thanks for getting this back into the Logos software. I have used Barclay for 4 decades.
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Thanks Kent, for the clarification.
Ted
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For Kent, some earlier versus later DSB questions:
Would it be worth buying (at $140 pre-pub, $200 suggested retail) the new pre-pub versions if one already had the earlier Logos editions? (Are they, when all is said and done, all ~that~ different?)
If one did buy the newer editions, would they be similar enough (or superior enough) to be worth hiding the older ones in Logos 4 (or would they be different enough to make it worth keeping both versions on hand)? (Obviously, one would leave the OT volumes in place.)
Will Logos eventually come out with "The New Daily Study Bible: ~Old~ Testament" editions? (And would it be useful to purchase those editions if one already has the earlier Logos OT editions?)
I can see that William Barclay is named as the author of the NT volumes in the earlier Logos series, as well as in the pre-pub NT series. However, Barclay died in the late 1970's, so the new pre-pub editions must have been further revised by someone(s) else in order to merit the "New" in the name (I would assume, even though the pre-pub page mentions only Barclay as the author for these new editions).
"Inquiring minds want to know..." {g}
Fred
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DSB is almost at 100% interest already. That didn't take long.
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Fred,
The New Daily Study Bible is a completely updated edition
published by Westminster John Knox Press a few years ago. It contains several
revisions and updates, and it’s widely considered a distinct work from the
original. (I posted some specifics and an example earlier in this thread.) This
means—if there is enough interest—we’ll need to rebuild it from scratch.At the same time, the substance of the New Daily Study Bible is still much the
same as the old Barclay Study Bible. In other words, you won’t find anything in
the New Daily Study Bible that Barclay wouldn’t agree with. [:D]WJK has not published the Old Testament volumes of the New
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Mark,
The New Daily Study Bible is a distinct work, so there isn't upgrade pricing available at this time.
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Why you should get the Daily Study Bible:
If you have used Barclay's Daily Study Bible, you are already familiar with it's uniqueness. If you have used it extensively, you are also familiar with the many occasions Barclay takes a stance against a literal interpretation (the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, miracles, etc.)
This may leave you wondering why you need this resource in your Logos library. Aside from all the great technical benefits of the Logos search engine please consider the usefulness of the content. The following article makes the case very well.
The Enigmatic William Barclay
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/681-the-enigmatic-william-barclay
I used to own the DSB in Logos but sold the base package that included my "grandfathered" license. (Let that be a lesson: Always try to go the upgrade route to preserve those resources you can no longer buy.) I am happy to see this new version of the Daily Study Bible and will be adding it to my Pre-Pub orders.Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Matthew C Jones said:
This may leave you wondering why you need this resource in your Logos library. Aside from all the great technical benefits of the Logos search engine please consider the usefulness of the content. The following article makes the case very well.
The Enigmatic William Barclay
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/681-the-enigmatic-william-barclayFrom that link, it would seem that one would want the original DSB, not the "New" one, since it sounds like the new one smooths over Barclay's idiosyncrasies, removing terms that might be alien to modern ears.
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Todd Phillips said:
From that link, it would seem that one would want the original DSB, not the "New" one, since it sounds like the new one smooths over Barclay's idiosyncrasies, removing terms that might be alien to modern ears.
If I had to choose between the original DSB or the New DSB in Pre-Pub, I would go with the original. But that is just me and my preference for the "original" works of authors. Many (most?) will view the New DSB as a great improvement over the original. I would like to have BOTH. (I also would value having both editions of the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.)
For most Logos users which resource to have is not a question since only the new one will be offered for sale. For the time being, I can only access the DSB in another program. And I don't like having to do that. I will be happy to have the New edition when it is released. There really is nothing comparable to William Barclay.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Kent Hendricks said:
The New Daily Study Bible is a completely updated edition published by Westminster John Knox Press a few years ago. It contains several revisions and updates, and it’s widely considered a distinct work from the original. (I posted some specifics and an example earlier in this thread.) This means—if there is enough interest—we’ll need to rebuild it from scratch.
At the same time, the substance of the New Daily Study Bible is still much the same as the old Barclay Study Bible. In other words, you won’t find anything in the New Daily Study Bible that Barclay wouldn’t agree with.
WJK has not published the Old Testament volumes of the New Daily Study Bible.
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Matthew C Jones said:Why you should get the Daily Study Bible:
If you have used Barclay's Daily Study Bible, you are already familiar with it's uniqueness. If you have used it extensively, you are also familiar with the many occasions Barclay takes a stance against a literal interpretation (the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, miracles, etc.)
This may leave you wondering why you need this resource in your Logos library. Aside from all the great technical benefits of the Logos search engine please consider the usefulness of the content. The following article makes the case very well.
The Enigmatic William Barclay
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/681-the-enigmatic-william-barclayBased on the above (and, thanks to Kent and to Matthew for the information), I think I will stick with "just" ({g}) the earlier OT & NT Logos editions.
Nonetheless, I am delighted for others (those who have been waiting for a chance to have Barclay's commentaries in Logos format) that at least the NT editions will once again be made available. And I am pleased to see, from the pre-pub bar graph, that this pre-pub is "gathering interest" quite rapidly.
My advice: If you don't already have Barclay's DSB, march right on over to the pre-pub page ( http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6752 ) and sign up for the (sort of) new NT editions... ({g})
Fred
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I am still trying to decide - I will leave my purchase on-line for now and make a decision later. I am normally more positive about my purchases, though I have changed my mind in the past. I am really quite undecided on this one [:(].
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
I am still trying to decide - I will leave my purchase on-line for now and make a decision later. I am normally more positive about my purchases, though I have changed my mind in the past. I am really quite undecided on this one
.In the same boat as you Floyd but tending to think I won't get it. Really need to see something more to convince me it is worth adding when I already have the orginal version.
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I'm surprised that there hasn't been more interest in this title. There were many requests for Logos to bring it back. There were a lot of initial orders, but now it seems to have plateaued. Maybe there are too many other titles being released right now.
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I was someone who had been wanting and requesting the Daily Study Bible for over a year, then about 6 months ago I was able to find an online store that had it available. Otherwise I would have placed a prepub order.
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