Old Testament Search for Saying and Giving Verbs followed directly by preposition and pronoun

Michael

So I am trying to create a macro for searching BHS that includes:

a verb for either seeing or for giving

followed directly by the preposition lamed together with a pronoun of any sort.

The verb for speaking I need is אמר

The verb for giving I need is נתן

The preposition (ל) and attached pronominal suffices I need are, already combined, the following:

לי

לך

לו

לה

לנו

לכם

לכן

להם

להן

An example of both items together is:

נתתי לך "I gave to you"

I am thinking the macro should be structured as a Morph search so that all forms of the verbs amar and natan occurring with the prepositions/pronouns are found.

The macro should only look for the combined prepositions/pronouns directly after the verbs.

If the combined prepositions/pronouns do not immediately follow, then they are not needed.

The search should generate a ton of hits, probably thousands. HALOT says there are over five-thousand instances of amar together with the combined prepositions/pronouns.

Any help is appreciated.

Michael

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Christian Alexander

I am curious as well.

Dave Hooton

נתתי לך "I gave to you"

Using that as an example e.g. a search for the phrase "נתתי לך" gives me a right-click Context menu with a breakdown of each word e.g.

lemma.h:נתן BEFORE 1 WORD morph.h:P BEFORE 2 CHARS morph.h:RS (in Lexham Hebrew Bible), where

RS = suffixed pronoun which is adjacent to the preposition P, so you have to use CHARACTERS (CHARS) as the separation. We use the lemma for "give", which is a word separated by one or more spaces from the segment (no spaces) with Preposition and Pronoun.

Just use that as a model for "speak" where Context menu gives lemma.h:אמר.1 for Hebrew and lemma.a:אמר for Aramaic.

Michael

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257051#Comment_1257051

נתתי לך "I gave to you"

Using that as an example e.g. a search for the phrase "נתתי לך" gives me a right-click Context menu with a breakdown of each word e.g.

lemma.h:נתן BEFORE 1 WORD morph.h:P BEFORE 2 CHARS morph.h:RS (in Lexham Hebrew Bible), where

RS = suffixed pronoun which is adjacent to the preposition P, so you have to use CHARACTERS (CHARS) as the separation. We use the lemma for "give", which is a word separated by one or more spaces from the segment (no spaces) with Preposition and Pronoun.

Just use that as a model for "speak" where Context menu gives lemma.h:אמר.1 for Hebrew and lemma.a:אמר for Aramaic.

Dave, thank you for this.

I shortened what you have here to the verb and preposition, leaving off the pronoun, since it found so few.

lemma.h:נתן BEFORE 1 WORD morph.h:P

There are almost 2,500 instances with the verb "to give" alone. Although they will need careful review.

What text underlies the LHI?

Michael

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257051#Comment_1257051

נתתי לך "I gave to you"

Using that as an example e.g. a search for the phrase "נתתי לך" gives me a right-click Context menu with a breakdown of each word e.g.

lemma.h:נתן BEFORE 1 WORD morph.h:P BEFORE 2 CHARS morph.h:RS (in Lexham Hebrew Bible), where

RS = suffixed pronoun which is adjacent to the preposition P, so you have to use CHARACTERS (CHARS) as the separation. We use the lemma for "give", which is a word separated by one or more spaces from the segment (no spaces) with Preposition and Pronoun.

Just use that as a model for "speak" where Context menu gives lemma.h:אמר.1 for Hebrew and lemma.a:אמר for Aramaic.

I really need to search BHS and Rahlfs-Hanhart. Would I need to search RH using every possible preposition and pronoun combo? It is not possible to Syntax or Morph search RH?

Related, would I need to search BHS using every possible combo also?

Michael

Martin Wetzel

this syntax search gets 810 results

Michael

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257118#Comment_1257118

this syntax search gets 810 results

Martin, this is amazing! Thank you so much! What Hebrew text is this searching?

Michael

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257118#Comment_1257118

this syntax search gets 810 results

Martin, this is amazing! Thank you so much! What Hebrew text is this searching?

Martin Wetzel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257214#Comment_1257214

syntax search uses the Andersen-Forbes text; of course you can show the results also in BHS

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257093#Comment_1257093

I shortened what you have here to the verb and preposition, leaving off the pronoun, since it found so few.

lemma.h:נתן BEFORE 1 WORD morph.h:P

I don't follow. You should get 1848 results in LHB/LHI with the suffixed pronoun.

These are Faithlife's in-house produced Hebrew bibles.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1257109#Comment_1257109

I really need to search BHS and Rahlfs-Hanhart. Would I need to search RH using every possible preposition and pronoun combo?

That is a question for you to answer??. AFAIK you just need to adapt the Search I have provided to BHS. The conversion to Greek will be very different, but this might help