macbook air or pro
Has anyone done comparisons using Logos on a new MacBook Air (M2, 8GB) vs a MacBook Pro (M2, 16 or 32 GB).
Would there be a noticeable difference with the Pro?
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I think the 16GB was a consensus minimum?
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Pro!
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Y'all are rich. [:D]
(I just bought the MacBook Air 15 inch, 500 GB, 8GB Ram). Love it.
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JT (alabama24) said:
(I just bought the MacBook Air 15 inch, 500 GB, 8GB Ram).
New M2 macBook Air 15" with 8GB Ram & 500 GB SSD is $ 1,499 with Geekbench of 2561 single-core & 9583 multi-core
Older renewed M1 Pro in macBook Pro 15" with 16 GB Ram & 1 TB SSD was $ 1,689.95 with Geekbench of 2371 single-core & 12106 multi-core so single-core is 8 % slower while multi-core is 26 % faster.
The macBook Pro has an HDMI port, which is useful for connecting HDMI TV for playing Celebrate Recovery videos. The macBook Air needs HDMI adapter.
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Brian said:
Has anyone done comparisons using Logos on a new MacBook Air (M2, 8GB) vs a MacBook Pro (M2, 16 or 32 GB).
Would there be a noticeable difference with the Pro?
I don't own a M2 based MacBook. However, the biggest difference is really fan or no fan. The fan in MacBook Pros provide better thermal protection; and therefore, a Pro is faster because it will require less processor throttling than an Air. This is the reason I went with a MacBook Pro M1 verses the MacBook Air M1 with basically the same specs and a price difference of about $300.....if I remember correctly. I have already told Abondservant my opinion on system specs. I don't care if it is an M1 or M2, but I do believe in 16GB unified memory minimum and 1TB minimum in SSD--Although I realize that you can always purchase external USB-C drives for less than Apple charges for internal SSD storage with the NAND chips. When I bought my MacBook Pro, I purchased 16 GB of unified memory and 2 TB of SSD...which at the time, that was the max configuration available. I have already have my 2 TB down 1.2 TB left. However, I realize that I am also running Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura on my volumes and Windows 11 and Ubuntu Linux in Parallels and Sonoma in UTM.
Alabama is correct though. You can run Logos with 8GB unified memory and 512GB SSD, and it should be ok.
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Just purchased our third Macbook Air in my family. My daughter has a 2020 Intel, My wife has a 2021 M1 16 gig ram. We just got a 15" Air with 16 gig ram.
Based on our usage patern, unless you are using the laptop for only Logos, i'd definitely get 16 gig ram. A Macbook Air will definitely run Logos with no problems or issues, but if you also like to have Mail, Messages, Word, Keynote, Sagari, etc open when using Logos, go for the 16 gig ram.
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Me too! I a bought the macbook m2 air 512gb 16gb. Logos works really great! Im using my ipad pro as a second screen (nice way to bypass the one screen limit on the air).
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As has been mentioned, the Pro has fans and so will run at higher processor speeds. That being said, I don't think I've EVER heard the fan on my M1 MacBook Pro 16", whether using Logos or Final Cut Pro (for sermon video editing) or anything else.
You need a minimum of 16GB of RAM; 8GB will be marginal all the time since the system and other basic processors take up quite a bit. I have 32GB, and even with only the apps I am currently working on running, I still run into memory issues at times.
I owned the first MacBook Air M1 to be released and was blown away by how normal Logos feels. It runs a bit faster on my Pro (my wife has my Air).
If you decide to go for the Air, max out the RAM.
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DMB said:
I think the 16GB was a consensus minimum?
With all due respect, I don't believe 8GB is a consensus minimum at all. 8GB works great on my Air and my Mac Mini that I just gave away. If you can afford 16 then get it because in a few years it may be needed, but right now 8GB on an M1 or better chip works GREAT!
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Thanks for your input. I think I will go with the Pro for other reasons stated here in this thread.
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I'm with Kevin. If money aint an issue, certainly look at the 16Gb Ram... but it is not necessary for good, Logos usage. Here was my thought process when I bought my MacBook Air, 15 inch.
- The 15 inch display was worth the extra $200 since I use my laptop for work 6 days a week and can use the extra space. There were some additional benefits of going with the 15 inch, but the display was the primary feature.
- For my usage, 500 GB SSD was mandatory and worth the upgrade. This is my primary computer and I have a lot of photos. My Logos library is large. 256 SSD would be nearly full on initial install (I have had this for 3 weeks and am at 238 GB.
- The two upgrades above already raised the cost of my device by $400. Is an additional $200 worth it for 16GB Ram? For my usage, the answer is "no." Logos runs fine. Photoshop runs fine (I use it for fun, not work). To respond to the remark above about having Logos, Word, Email open at the same time... not an issue, not a problem.
If I used a different computer for work, I would be inclined to go with the 13 inch. If I had another primary computer, I would perhaps go with the 256 SSD.
I would have considered an additional $200 for 16 GB <if> I intended to keep this device for my personal use for more than 4 years. I don't. I love my tech and to keep it coming, I pass my equipment down to my kids. Some users do NEED 16 GB, but for the purposes of LOGOS, most users don't need it. Without any other computer needs requiring it, I would only recommend 16 GB to those who plan to use the device as their primary for a LONG time.
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I have a large library, and while I realize the bulk of indexing would be a one-off event, I'm curious how the Air holds up when indexing a large library? On my ThinkPad (work laptop) as well as my iMac, the fans really kick in when indexing (if I recall correctly).
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JT (alabama24) said:
I would have considered an additional $200 for 16 GB <if> I intended to keep this device for my personal use for more than 4 years. I
I remember years ago (when Logos4 > 5 > 6 > 7 were creaking along), Logosians always recommended 'buy the most you can afford!!!'. Now, it's what's good for today. I assume the Logos app (and maybe others as well) is pretty much matched by decent hardware. I do still have my L7 and it's really creaky. Excruciatingly creaky.
I did buy for 'death' (MBP/16) ... I'm calculating the next will need to work in the ICU (ha) ... an iPad will be fine. Who knows, maybe Logos desktop will run on a mobile by then.
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I just purchased the new MacBook Air 15” with 8gb and 512gb ssd and it works great.
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I just bought this 16in MacBook Pro M1 Pro 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD for $1850 yesterday: https://prices.appleinsider.com/product/macbook-pro-16-inch-2021/Z14V0016E
Based on my research the M1 Pro still beats out the M2 found in the latest 15 in MacBook Air. And since it was only about $100 more, it was a no-brainer for me, specially with double the ram I was planning on getting with the MacBook Air.
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Brian said:
I'm curious how the Air holds up when indexing a large library?
My 13,000 had no problems.
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19k+ doing just fine on my M1 MacBook Air with 256gb and 8gb.Brian said:I have a large library, and while I realize the bulk of indexing would be a one-off event, I'm curious how the Air holds up when indexing a large library? On my ThinkPad (work laptop) as well as my iMac, the fans really kick in when indexing (if I recall correctly).
Doing great on my m2 Mac mini also.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Brian said:
I have a large library, and while I realize the bulk of indexing would be a one-off event, I'm curious how the Air holds up when indexing a large library? On my ThinkPad (work laptop) as well as my iMac, the fans really kick in when indexing (if I recall correctly).
Indexing on M1 with 8GB is fast. I don't really see a huge performance increase on my Mac Studio M2 with 16GB.
Logos snaps on both systems. I got the studio because of video/audio editing and it's way overkill even for that.
I may return it and get the 15-inch MBAir instead and saved about $500.
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Few two cents from me. not a tech pro, but do know a little. worked at the Apple Store at one point (and it wasn't based on my "diversity" or my salesman personality but just nerdy knowing my way around Mac OS X.)...
I am convinced that most people don’t need a pro. I make a one hour tv broadcast of our church each week (not me but the pastor, im the youth pastor) that plays on a local tv station. im not a video expert, but ive learned to get by after our media man died with cancer. and while the church did buy my a MBP M1 Pro )16gb/1tb) because I told them thats what I wanted… im pretty sure now that I have been at it that I could do everything with an Air. after about 20 minutes or so of exporting im sure the video work would cause the fanless air to clock down, but I honestly rarely RARELY hear the fans on my MBP1. and that it is with the lid closed hooked to a studio display, which I imagine the lid holds in some heat.
every time I go the the apple store or best buy I think, man I wish I had an air. so light compared to the MBP. the screen is nicer (but im usually looking at the external monitor) and the speakers are nicer (but im usually listening to the speakers on the studio display).
The truth is, since the M1 transition things have been so so good for Mac users that it really is overkill to get more than a step up or two. I know there are exceptions, but the need to have the fastest machine with the ram maxed out is really unwise. of course buy the top of the line if you want it need it etc. but things are so good for the Mac right now that almost anyone can get by just fine with a base level air or mini (one exception would be the meager 256gb if you have a large photo library and don’t want to trust the cloud to your full resolution pics).
I don’t stare at activity monitor but I honestly don’t remember seeing a time with my 16gb machine going into swap. even while working on church broadcast and having logos open and a bunch of other apps, it might use around 10-12 gb and the swap will remain at a perfect zero.
so if anyone wants my unsolicited two cents, the base level will probably be fine. if you don’t covet the new air body style, the m1 air is still a steal of a deal at the 799 sale you can almost always find. and with the education sale at apple right now (and the very liberal definition of eduction use on their website) lots of people can buy the edu price with a clear conscience I would imagine. you can get a base mini m2 for 499 and get a 100 gift card.
if you are not absolutely sure you need more ram, you probably don’t and will be fine. if you don’t know if 256 or 512 are enough, and you don’t lose sleep over iCloud controlling what pics and files are local and what are stored, get the 256.
the hardware is great. the battery life is great. the speed is great. the coolness of the machine not getting hot is great. I don’t know what is going on behind the scenes in Cupertino lately, but for Tim Cook to "not be a product man" apple is making some of the most exciting stuff ive seen since my first Mac in 2003.
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Any of you folks running Macbook air with more than one external screen?
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