Finding the Trinity referenced across 2 verses

person:"Holy Spirit" AND person:God AND person:Jesus search yields when all 3 Members of the Trinity appear in one verse.

I have tried a number of variations to pick up when the Trinity is split across 2 verses such as in Mark 1:10-11.

Want to include those results in a reference but cannot figure out how to add that condition to a search or have a separate search to include those results.

Please advise.

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Dave Hooton

I have tried a number of variations to pick up when the Trinity is split across 2 verses such as in Mark 1:10-11.

Try a Books Search of your bible with person:"Holy Spirit" NEAR person:God NEAR person:Jesus

Books usually searches within a Bible Chapter and NEAR will confine results within a few verses. Beware of verbs influencing the result.

EDIT: I will come back with a more accurate Morph Query.

Eugene Nowak

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270252#Comment_1270252

Interesting...

I had used that syntax to search against "Bible," and no good.

Based on your suggestion I used "Books" and selected a specific Bible to be searched, and voila it showed Mark 1:10-11 in the results.

I think I'm beginning to understand a fundamental difference between how WordSearch had digitized and searched the Bible verses how Logos does it. Let me know if this makes sense, in Logos the Bible is broken down into verses and each verse is a standalone unique "milestone," hence the phrase "versified" as coined by Morris Proctor, & maybe others. But when the Bible is pulled up as a "Book," that "versification" no longer exists, so now when searching, the search crosses any former "milestone" barrier and proximity commands now have a much broader significance in searching the surface text.

I had also tried using BEFORE & AFTER when searching the Bible for this search, thinking that applied to preceding or succeeding verses. But it doesn't, it only applied to the contents of the "milestone," i.e. verse. In WordSearch you could use a command when searching the Bible, something like: WITHIN 2 VERSES. But, Logos search syntax doesn't allow that.

The results between "Bible" person:"Holy Spirit" AND person:God AND person:Jesus and "Books|NASB" person:"Holy Spirit" NEAR person:God NEAR person:Jesus are different, but that is what should be expected based on the above perception. And what would be expected and desired.

I can save the Bible search results into a Passage List, how can I save the "Books"NASB" results into a passage list, or because it is now in "Book" format that it can't be done?

Please let me know if my understanding is now headed in the correct direction.

Thanks

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270258#Comment_1270258

What version are you running? - in the current search you set the span for verse or chapter so you left me totally confused.

Eugene Nowak

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270262#Comment_1270262

L10

Familiar with verse & chapter alternatives in the search scope.

Chapter can give way too much. Looked at that in this case, but then for this particular search the results can be spread across the entire chapter and can loose the significance of occurring in one location.

I've been using digital Bible software from DOS days & started with QV, which, which got absorbed into WordSearch. In those environments I could have a search range of just 2 verses next to each other. That is appears to be unfamiliar territory in Logos. The example of Mark 1:10-11 where the 2 verses combined contain the 3 Persons of the Trinity is what I was trying to do. Does that make sense?

Dave's comment about using a Book search for Bible contents makes sense instead of searching the Bible.

It would be nice if there was somewhere you could get an overview of resource structure behind the scenes to understand how you are querying the meta-data components to yield the results desired.

When WordSearch was acquired by Logos in September 2020, all the WordSearch resources had to be "converted" (as well as licensed) into Logos technology. QuickVerse/WordSearch used used books built in an RTF-based format called STEP then later HTML-based CROSS format. Which I'm guessing is a lot different than what Logos is using. Thus searching those formats seemed to require a different syntax.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270269#Comment_1270269

Dave's comment about using a Book search for Bible contents makes sense instead of searching the Bible.

Er...ah... the reason for using a Book search was, as Dave said, the search a chapter. One had to use the Book search in L9. I was merely pointing out that one can now do the same thing - search a chapter - within a Bible search. Dave and I gave exactly the same advice, we merely used different ways to get there. Or put another way (since I am likely older than Dave) - Dave had a senior moment where he gave you the same answer as he (and I) had for decades forgetting the recent change.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270309#Comment_1270309

Or put another way (since I am likely older than Dave) - Dave had a senior moment where he gave you the same answer as he (and I) had for decades forgetting the recent change.

My birth was in the month before VJ Day!

My senior reason to use Books is because you can see the results with Verses in a compact format. The Bible use of Chapter is crippled because:

results are a non-versified presentation of the full chapter
results only link to the chapter in the bible
Passage List is by chapter, not passage.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270327#Comment_1270327

My birth was in the month before VJ Day!

I stand corrected by a couple of months ...

My senior reason to use Books is because you can see the results with Verses in a compact format. The Bible use of Chapter is crippled because:

results are a non-versified presentation of the full chapter

results only link to the chapter in the bible

Passage List is by chapter, not passage.

Fair enough ...

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270258#Comment_1270258

Let me know if this makes sense, in Logos the Bible is broken down into verses and each verse is a standalone unique "milestone," hence the phrase "versified" as coined by Morris Proctor, & maybe others. But when the Bible is pulled up as a "Book," that "versification" no longer exists, so now when searching, the search crosses any former "milestone" barrier and proximity commands now have a much broader significance in searching the surface text.

The versification always exists because that is an attribute of the bible resource i.e. its milestones are Bible Book, Chapter, Verse. Bible Search by Verse restricts the results to a single verse, and Bible Search by Chapter restricts the results to a single chapter i.e. results can span multiple verses and proximity operatots are usually more significant in order to get meaningful results. AND is usually too broad, even for searches by Verse.

The Books Search for bibles is usually by Chapter and has the advantages I stated in my reply to Martha.

I had also tried using BEFORE & AFTER when searching the Bible for this search, thinking that applied to preceding or succeeding verses. But it doesn't, it only applied to the contents of the "milestone," i.e. verse.

BEFORE, AFTER apply to the terms you specify. They are not helpful in this case because the bible terms will not be ordered - you need NEAR or WITHIN.

In WordSearch you could use a command when searching the Bible, something like: WITHIN 2 VERSES. But, Logos search syntax doesn't allow that.

Something like that would be preferable to Verse or Chapter. See Morph Query, which has advantages and disadvantages over Morph Search.

I can save the Bible search results into a Passage List, how can I save the "Books"NASB" results into a passage list, or because it is now in "Book" format that it can't be done?

As stated to Martha, the Passage List with Bible Search by Chapter is crippled.

Eugene Nowak

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1270330#Comment_1270330

Thanks for the insights.

gene