Judgement of sin

What comfort does it give us to know that God abandoned his own Son to judge sin and save sinners? How can we be sure that God won't forsake us during our time of trial if he could abandon his own Son on the cross? What guarantee do we have that God won't abandon us to face danger and the sword if the cross demonstrates that God left his own Son defenseless against forces of darkness and death? Where in the Bible can I find references to this?

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Ken McGuire

Among other passages, I think a look at Rom 6 and 1 Cor 15 would be in order. In general death judges our attempts at meaning and spits them out on the ground, showing how meaningless it all is.

But in Christ we are somehow united with the One who has gone through the process and is still inviting us to be partakers of his Kingdom. How exactly we talk about this varies considerably among us here - and even what I have said goes beyond the guidelines for here.

But for me the comfort isn't that God abandoned his Son, but rather that the Loving God the Father sent the Beloved God the Son here - a mission the Son accepted willingly - into a world that that will kill him because as alienated we are from God, we are still beings created by a loving God who belong in a loving relationship with that God instead of our too alienated existence, giving us the Holy Spirit to see beyond all this...

Dave Hooton

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But for me the comfort isn't that God abandoned his Son....,

Please don't expand with other "personal" views. Point the OP to the Bible or Commentaries.

Christian Alexander

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Thanks Ken. The biblical text passages help me as I heard a sermon on this using Aquinas and Cyprian of Carthage. I did not understand. The preacher did not use the biblical text at all.

Sean

What comfort does it give us to know that God abandoned his own Son to judge sin and save sinners? How can we be sure that God won't forsake us during our time of trial if he could abandon his own Son on the cross? What guarantee do we have that God won't abandon us to face danger and the sword if the cross demonstrates that God left his own Son defenseless against forces of darkness and death? Where in the Bible can I find references to this?

It's difficult for me to respond to this and stay within the forum guidelines. (The atonement was the subject of my doctoral thesis.) You have made a lot of assumptions for which the supporting facts are not necessarily in evidence.

The belief that the Father abandoned the Son is based solely on the cry of dereliction from the cross (Mark & Matt). The interpretation of that verse has varied and developed a lot over the centuries. The best work I know on it is Rossé's The Cry of Jesus on the Cross, which unfortunately is not available in Logos.

ETA: A verse to consider along with the Synoptic report: John 16:32

Christian Alexander

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Sean thanks for this info. That is a lot to chew on. I think my assumptions are too broad and you confirmed this for me. Can you send a copy of your dissertation? I would love to read it. saucier2000.christian@gmail.com