Add Personal books to Logos mobile application
It would be great to add the personal books to Logos mobile app. Please grant this feature.
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I agree that it would be great. However, Logos has publicly stated that they do not have any intentions of doing so. It is not in their best interest.
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It is also about possible copyright claims. Logos does not want to wake sleeping dogs. A co-worker once said that they would go out on a limb with this function in the desktop version.
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As a workaround, you could use a convertible tablet, which can run the desktop app. Touchscreen support is lacking of course, but if the goal is to have your personal books for mobile use, that's pretty much the only way to get that done.
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Think of a way for Logos to monetize PB's on mobile applications and maybe...
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JT (alabama24) said:
It is not in their best interest.
That sums it up. My own Bible software, early on (BL or before Logos) easily brings in PDFs, text docs and imagery for quick study use and machine analysis. Along with organizing everything. Easy-peasy. But obviously wouldn't enhance their revenue stream.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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JT (alabama24) said:
I agree that it would be great. However, Logos has publicly stated that they do not have any intentions of doing so. It is not in their best interest.
However, in the beginning it was not thus. I don't remember the exact language that gestated user expectations, but it was explicit enough that a great many users exhibit a near-species-level, primeval quest for the feature, myself included. Different and dueling reasons (think 'banjos') have been provided for abandoning the effort.
My informal, and probably non-exhaustive, search a few years ago revealed that Laridian, a software I'm unfamiliar with, was the only bible software found with explicit options for mobile-available homemade books.
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Jan Krohn said:
As a workaround, you could use a convertible tablet, which can run the desktop app. Touchscreen support is lacking of course, but if the goal is to have your personal books for mobile use, that's pretty much the only way to get that done.
The Microsoft Surface Pro is excellent for that purpose. It runs the full Logos well, and it is an excellent tablet. Of course you have to run the full Logos on it since it is not an ios device.
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Mike Childs said:
The Microsoft Surface Pro is excellent for that purpose.
Yes, that's the deluxe device. I had a look at it at ab electronics store.
Other vendos such as Lenovo have a lot more affordable devices though.
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Robert M. Warren said:
However, in the beginning it was not thus.
Correct. It was a "planned feature."
The short version: Logos determined that the majority of users don't actually create "personal books" but rather 1) create duplicate copies of public domain works already in the Logos catalog, 2) create duplicate copies of public domain works NOT YET in the Logos catalog, and 3) make duplicate copies of resources still in copyright. The latter presents Logos potential legal troubles. The former work against Logos best interests.
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Robert M. Warren said:
My informal, and probably non-exhaustive, search a few years ago revealed that Laridian, a software I'm unfamiliar with, was the only bible software found with explicit options for mobile-available homemade books.
True. I paired my own Bible software to feed Laridian (mobile) and Logos (desktop) programmatically. FL spent too many years with cutesy.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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JT (alabama24) said:Robert M. Warren said:
However, in the beginning it was not thus.
Correct. It was a "planned feature."
The short version: Logos determined that the majority of users don't actually create "personal books" but rather 1) create duplicate copies of public domain works already in the Logos catalog, 2) create duplicate copies of public domain works NOT YET in the Logos catalog, and 3) make duplicate copies of resources still in copyright. The latter presents Logos potential legal troubles. The former work against Logos best interests.
Yup, I can corroborate from my own personal experience. I never use the feature for #1 but definitely do for #2, as I assume these works might never make it to Logos and I have some compelling reason to want them sooner rather than later. I have used it for #3 only if I own the works in print format (so I can scan and OCR them) and Logos does not sell them. If Logos has them in their catalogue, I would rather buy one that has already been converted to digital than do the work myself.
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JT (alabama24) said:
2) create duplicate copies of public domain works NOT YET in the Logos catalog
Well, in the early days, many created works in the public domain that were NOT IN Logos. It should be easy for Logos to create a way to purge works that were created when they decide to make the resource available in LOGOS. If Logos had created a way to delete PB that were already in LOGOS, that woudl have eliminated JT's point #1 and 2. The real problem was point #3 and the legal raminfications.
I rarely make a PB now from public domain books and only if it is not in LOGOS. If I ever found a PB book was now available in LOGOS, I would purchase it and delete the PB.
But I use PB practically everyday for writing sermons and personal Bible study. If that was ever taken away without a viable alternative (Sermon building is not yet an viable alternative for what I do), it would be a huge loss for me.
For those of us who have created or have PBs that are in the public domain but now in LOGOS...well for me, it is not intentional. I would be happy to delete the appropriate ones if I knew which to delete.
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Mark said:
It should be easy for Logos to create a way to purge works that were created when they decide to make the resource available in LOGOS
"By using the Services you acknowledge and agree that we reserve the right at any time to remove, block or disable any User Content that, in our sole judgment, violates these Terms or any applicable law, or may expose or subject us to liability of any kind, or may adversely affect the reputation or goodwill of Faithlife." (from https://www.logos.com/terms).
However, it is just as easy to re-create the PB's as the user has the source files. Logos/FL could easily purge books that were uploaded to their server, but the user would still have the local file! And they could purge any source file that is uploaded in a forum e.g. Files forum.
So it is a balancing act.
Dave
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