Does Logos have a plan to deal with Windows 10 / 11 moving forward?

I have been following Microsoft's new handling of Windows with the release of Windows 11. It appears that the longstanding policy of allowing Windows users to update to a newer version so long as the older system meets basic requirements is over now.

Microsoft's new policy is to only support recent hardware that appears on a list. Essentially if your computer does not have a supported processor that is less than 3 to 4 years old, Windows 11 cannot be installed. Instead you will get a message similar to this one:

Some have speculated that Microsoft wants to "encourage" people to buy new computers. But whatever the reasoning is behind these changes, my question is related to the Logos software.

I am thinking that there will be a large number of Windows users who stay with Windows 10, creating a similar situation to when people refused to upgrade from XP, and later from Win7.

From what I have learned from reading the forum here, the latest Logos software appears to be requiring the latest updates (to Windows 10) to run.

I am hoping that there is some forward looking plan to deal with a situation where many Logos users find themselves, either willingly or not, sticking with Windows 10.

My own personal plan is to eventually move to macOS entirely, but I still run the Windows version in a virtual machine where I have Windows 10 installed. I am doubtful that Windows 11 is going to allow itself to be installed on my old computer, and do not know if W11 can even be run in a virtual machine on a computer that does not meet Microsoft's requirements.

Microsoft says they will cease support for Windows 10 in about 2 years.

Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date.

Whatever state Logos software is in when they release the last supported updates for W10, may very well be the version many of us end up using for a very long time to come.

Any information or thoughts on this matter?

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MJ. Smith

I believe that the Logos policy is that they support Windows versions that are supported by Microsoft as a personal license (not enterprise license as one user recently discovered). I would not expect that to change.

Don Awalt

I am thinking that there will be a large number of Windows users who stay with Windows 10, creating a similar situation to when people refused to upgrade from XP, and later from Win7.

You are right on target - as of Nov 2022:

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277692#Comment_1277692

I have a sweet old Asus ROG from 2011 that won't update to Win 11, but it runs Logos just fine. And it's pretty fast. 16 GB of ram. Two-1TB SSD's (Its only-ever upgrades).

I love that heavy 17.3" monster. Once down in southern Thailand, it plummeted from a second story balcony rail onto a solid tile walkway far below. The fall hurts the computer's feelings, but nothing more (other than panic--but that was me). It has followed me faithfully to at least eleven different countries. It's just a box full of plastic and copper wires, but I am going to keep it anyway--dear old friend.

I am hoping to get two more years out of it before Microsoft shrugs. I haven't put it out to pasture yet, and all I require of it is to make a smart TV smarter.

I think it's too early to panic about Windows update problems unless you haven't updated outdated Win10. I bet you can get 22H2 (10.0.19045.3636) to install and that should run Logos just fine.

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277705#Comment_1277705

I am thinking that there will be a large number of Windows users who stay with Windows 10, creating a similar situation to when people refused to upgrade from XP, and later from Win7.

You are right on target - as of Nov 2022:

Interesting. And also...

Do you know how many government offices in China REQUIRE businesses to use Win XP? Yes, XP. Because some gov tax software is old and won't run on anything newer.

But on the other hand, anyone can pick up a copy of XP from the corner of a local wet market for $3 bucks,

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277712#Comment_1277712

Oh the US Government is still using XP as well - from this report from the General Accounting Office audit about 6 weeks ago. Pathetic.

https://iris-preview.extremetech.com/defense/state-department-cybersecurity-report

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277718#Comment_1277718

I'm not denying that Microsoft wants people to purchase new computers, but the reason computers are unable to run Windows 11 is that they lack modern security features (which became standard in PC hardware in 2016), so over the next two years before Windows 10 becomes unsupported, many of those older computers (which will be 10 years old by that point) will be dying out or already gone, and all newer computers will have Windows 11, which will drive up the market share.

With that said, I have several computers that do not have supported hardware that are running Windows 11. There are several ways to make it work, and once you install Windows 11 on an unsupported machine, it continues to run without issue, including getting updates and all other normal operations.

David Thomas

I am thinking that there will be a large number of Windows users who stay with Windows 10, creating a similar situation to when people refused to upgrade from XP, and later from Win7.

"large number" of windows 10 users does not equal "large percentage of Logos users" Apple and Microsoft continue to move forward and there comes a statistical point when supporting old OS becomes economically unfeasible for Logos Bible Software.

I say this as an early adopter who has several computers in our church that are incapable of supporting Win11--I understand the dilemma!

Fabian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277801#Comment_1277801

Interesting facts is. Ca. 10 years ago Heise.de made an article about the TPM and said it is a privacy catastrophe we should avoid. Now as the TPM 2.0 is mandatory they had been quiet. All had been quite. The people are very forgetful.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277805#Comment_1277805

I agree there are many ways to use old computers... I have one that is a "486" computer that is a great door stop and it does it's job well! [8-|]

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277812#Comment_1277812

I agree there are many ways to use old computers... I have one that is a "486" computer that is a great door stop and it does it's job well!

That's funny! I graduated from high school in 1994, and I bought my first computer before starting college. It was a 486, DX2, running at 66mhz. I had the option of getting either a Pentium processor or a HP 560C printer, and I opted for the printer. It ran Windows 3.1 for workgroups, which I upgraded to windows 98 using floppy discs.

It had a 528MB hard drive, and I remember thinking, "I will never use all of this space!"

It was amazing.

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277801#Comment_1277801

Apple and Microsoft continue to move forward and there comes a statistical point when supporting old OS becomes economically unfeasible for Logos Bible Software

I understand that Dave. I still run Libronix 3.0g in a virtual machine. I am not asking Logos for anything.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1277844#Comment_1277844

I still run Libronix 3.0g in a virtual machine. I am not asking Logos for anything.

Well, you COULD ask Logos to resurrect LIbby. Why, I bet there's more Libby's running, than Logos Desktops! (I left out FL mobiles that account for FL's primary account base.)

Jan Krohn

Once Win 10 no longer receives security updates, one should only keep software and data on a Win 10 computer that one is absolutely comfortable with losing or getting compromised through security breaches.

Because that's what will ievitably happen. It's just a matter of time.

As for buying a new Win 11 computer, I'd suggest doing that a year ahead of time, as prices will definitely tighten toward October 2025.

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/246490/microsoft-is-discontinuing-support-for-windows-10-on-october-14-2025

The question has been answered. Logos will cease support for Windows 10 when Microsoft does.

Dave Hooton

@John The question has been answered. Logos will cease support for Windows 10 when Microsoft does.

Also implied at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007391412-About-Free-Support

Faithlife will make a formal announcement about the exact date close to that time.