Search help Elohim not God

Mike W
Mike W Member Posts: 42 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

When I run the search “lemma.h:=אֱלֹהִים NOT EQUALS (God OR God's)“ I get 89 verses but no verses from wisdom literature.  I know that there are verses in Psalms where Elohim does no t refer to God but they don’t show up in the search. Using NOT person:God gets the same results. What am I doing wrong?

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  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,458

    Mike,

    Here is my search on all passages (230 hits) and just Psalms using ESV RI as my text. Which text are you using:

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,270 ✭✭✭✭

    Which text are you using:

    Agreed, a translation thing.  I could find a couple in NRSV, but one looks like a data-bug. 

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,877

    I would run lemma.h:=אֱלֹהִים NOT INTERSECTS person:God which on the NRSV gives 267 results in 237 verses. The EQUAL basically means anywhere in the same verse while you want the exact same position.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,877

    I would run lemma.h:=אֱלֹהִים NOT INTERSECTS person:God which on the NRSV. 

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  • David Paul
    David Paul Member Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭

    Every time a question like this gets asked, there is a long discussion about how this search produces x results, and that search gives y results, and yet another search produces z results. In all such searches, you are relying on the effort of others (often programmers) and having to take their word for the outcome. Are "they" right? You have NO CLUE. The best way to do this kind of work is to do the work yourself. Run a search on ':elohhiym and then you can look at each instance and determine which cases meet your criterion/criteria. Record the results to your satisfaction somewhere that you can later access without having to do the long work. To the extent that any of this ultimately matters, all answered queries that amount to "but so-and-so said" will meet with little sympathy or compassion.

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  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,483

    MJ. Smith said:

    I would run lemma.h:=אֱלֹהִים NOT INTERSECTS person:God which on the NRSV. The EQUAL basically means anywhere in the same verse while you want the exact same position.

    EQUAL means that the text tagged with the lemma must be exactly the same as the text tagged as God. This can be significant with multi-word titles for God. INTERSECTS by comparison just means that the text for each term just needs to overlap.

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  • Mike W
    Mike W Member Posts: 42 ✭✭

    John Fidel

    Thanks, that worked perfectly.  I was trying the search on the NIV.  I‘m thankful that there are Logos experts on the website who are willing to help.[:)]