Greek Morphology

Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

To get insight into the meaning of a Greek word's formation, I would like to click on it in my SBL and have it open the lemma in Mounce's Morphology. How can I do this?

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle Member, MVP Posts: 32,443 ✭✭✭

    I would like to click on it in my SBL and have it open the lemma in Mounce's Morphology. How can I do this?

    Put them both into the same linkset. Then when you click a word in the SBL, the lexicon will update to show the corresponding article.

  • RHC
    RHC Member Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    Mounce’s morphology isn’t a lexicon, so linking it with a lexicon or SBL won’t bring up the word in Mounce’s morphology when it’s clicked in SBL or a lexicon. You’ll have to search Mounce’ morphology for every occurrence of the lexical form of the word, in the same ways you search for a Greek word in any grammar or monograph.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How can I do this?

    It can't be done as there is no appropriate common index. You can check this in the indexes portion of the informational panel for the book.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭

    To get insight into the meaning of a Greek word's formation, I would like to click on it in my SBL and have it open the lemma in Mounce's Morphology. How can I do this?

    If you refer to the SBLGNT bible and Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, then they can be linked as Graham describes because Mounce's Dictionary is  a Lexicon.

    Dave
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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I assumed Christian was speaking of Mounce, William D. The Morphology of Biblical Greek. Edited by Verlyn D. Verbrugge. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1994. which is classified as a grammar. It doesn't even show in the Grammars section of a Biblical Reference Guide so I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to easily access it.

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  • RHC
    RHC Member Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    I do a lot of searches like this for Greek and Hebrew lemmas.
    One way is to have Mounce’s Morphology open, double click on the inflected word in the SBL Bible to get to the lemma in a Greek lexicon, then right-click on the lemma in the lexicon and select “Search: All Open”. The search pane will list all the occurrences of the lemma in Mounce’s Morphology ((Basic search: All Text in All Passages in All open resources).


    I get Mounce’s Morphology showing up in the Grammars Bible Reference Guide, but I’d have to cut and paste the Greek lemma into the search pane to do a search.   “Search All Grammars” (Basic search: All Text in All Passages in All Grammars).

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I get Mounce’s Morphology showing up in the Grammars Bible Reference Guide,

    I was referring to this - sorry I wasn't clear.

    Yes, your search all open is a good solution for the problem.

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  • RHC
    RHC Member Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    I was referring to this - sorry I wasn't clear.

    Mounce's Morphology shows up when I search for Mark 1 and some other Bible passages in that Grammar Guide. But there aren't too many Bible references in his book since he's focusing on categorizing Greek words in groups, so his book won't show up in the searches for a lot of Bible passages.

  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭

    I am looking to determine the morphological data for John's Gospel. I want to know how John's Gospel and his form of Greek is different from that of the other Gospels.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭

    I am looking to determine the morphological data for John's Gospel. I want to know how John's Gospel and his form of Greek is different from that of the other Gospels.

     Is this a new question or is it related to your original question?  Please clarify and respond to the comments made above.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am looking to determine the morphological data for John's Gospel. I want to know how John's Gospel and his form of Greek is different from that of the other Gospels.

    The tools in the Passage Analysis Guide are intended specifically to address this kind of issue.

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭

    I am looking to determine the morphological data for John's Gospel. I want to know how John's Gospel and his form of Greek is different from that of the other Gospels.

    In theory, you'd look at the statistical bar graphs for key grammar functions. Then, you'd see differences.  The problem with this, is you need to account for differences in 'how you talk about', use of narratives, and so forth ... something well beyond Logos.

    A good example comes from the Social Science Commantary on John:

    "The Greeks called such parallel brackets a chiasmos, after one half of the Greek letter “Chi” (our X), thus “>”. In this appendix we present a reconstruction of such a bracketing analysis of the Gospel of John that accounts for the way we have outlined the document into smaller units."

    They then demonstrate the structure the author could be following, and only thense, grammar and morphology.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."