Women leadership and the church

Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

I am doing a study on leadership from the words of Jesus. How can I use Logos to see what is said about women leaders?  I have read Women in the Church: An Interpretation and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 first edition by Andreas J. Köstenberger & Thomas R. Schreiner but I am looking for a resource from more of a leadership perspective. I am also looking for the theological and social rationales to this type of study.

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  • DMB
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    Not sure how far you'll get with Jesus quotes. Folks like to point to his disciples' gender, forgetting their race/ethos as a requirement.

    Personally, given the emotionality of male-leadership, you'd need to look at resources that go in opposite directions.  For example jewish synogogues had lady leaders, so also Christian house-churches, as well as household-leadership. Then, add various church functionalities (eg apostles), suggesting a non-clear early distinction.

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  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭

    I am doing a study on leadership from the words of Jesus. How can I use Logos to see what is said about women leaders?  I have read Women in the Church: An Interpretation and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 first edition by Andreas J. Köstenberger & Thomas R. Schreiner but I am looking for a resource from more of a leadership perspective. I am also looking for the theological and social rationales to this type of study.

    The bible is a great source..... I suggest the NKJV and study especially 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9 on the kind of leadership Jesus wants in the church.

    Again, I suggest you be careful with the way you word your questions as to not do the following:

    1. write your questions in such a way that you are actually trying to teach what you read.

    2. write your questions in such a way that you cause a theological debate.

    The way you wrote it, your question above comes close to violating #2.  You need to be more careful of this.

    I would suggest you should have shortened it and ask it this way:  "I am studying leadership and would like some resources on women leaders in the church?" or "I am studying leadership in the church and looking for resources on the kind of leadership Jesus wants in the church."

     

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  • MJ. Smith
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    I am doing a study on leadership from the words of Jesus. How can I use Logos to see what is said about women leaders?  I have read Women in the Church: An Interpretation and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 first edition by Andreas J. Köstenberger & Thomas R. Schreiner but I am looking for a resource from more of a leadership perspective.

    I would be more inclined to answer if you were to tell me what Bible searches you had run and what you had discovered in early church histories, the Didache, and the apostolic fathers.

    I am also looking for the theological and social rationales to this type of study.

    For this you need to look in your methodological books especially hermeneutics or exegetical techniques based on clearly defined hermeneutics. You'll also need to know your enculturation aspects of exegesis and application.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • GregW
    GregW Member Posts: 266 ✭✭

    The book you've referenced only argues one side of the debate over the 1 Timothy 2 text. The various Spectrum and Counterpoints books are very good for understanding how other points of view interpret these passages, so it's worth looking at something like Two Views on Women in Ministry (Counterpoints) | Logos Bible Software. These books have the advantage that each author critiques the other authors, giving you a good understanding of why there's a debate, and what the debate centres around. If you just read the book you've referenced you will come away without any understanding of a different point of view (or, with that book, the possibility of a different point of view). The Counterpoints book also widens the debate beyond just one or two texts to set it in the wider context of Scripture.