Option to Leave ALL RESOURCES in "the Cloud" (and not download them with software updates)
QUESTION: *Is there any other way to use LOGOS on a laptop or desktop so that all resources always stay "in the cloud" and do not download to the internal hard drive?
Note: This is being reposted as a SUGGESTION. Originally posted in General.
BACK STORY I'm a worship pastor who uses Logos to write Scripture-Guided/Gospel-Liturgies that guide the flow of our worship services. As a worship pastor (with no other worship ministry paid staff) my computer is also full of music software for sunday morning: things such as Logic Pro, Main-Stage, Instrument Plugins, Processing Plugins, etc. I also have video editing software, to manage sermon videos. I'm presently using a MacBook Pro that has a 500GB hard drive and I have used up 450GB. I have 8TB of external drives for a Studio Library, Music Instrument Samples, Video Sermon Library, Worship Arts, External Docs, and Time Machine.
I have set my Logos settings to Use Internet (Yes) | Automatically Download Resources (No), and I download only particular resources as needed, and then remove them again afterwards to keep my HDD from filling up. I prefer to work this way in order to keep space on the Mac hard drive so music production/performance does not get bogged down. I am always having to disregard the message the says I have updates. Today it said I have 5.6GB of updates and if I update it, then all my resources get put back on my computer. There seems to be an option to download UPDATES (both software and resources), and an option to download ONLY RESOURCES, but not an option to UPDATE SOFTWARE ONLY and leave all resources OFFLINE or "in the cloud".
NOTE: It isn't helpful that Mac has made it very difficult to keep the HDD clean. Device backups (iPhones, iPads, laptops), Photos from all devices, Photo shared-albums from family and friends, iCloud Documents and Desktops... all get stored on the internal HDD when shared to Apple's iCloud. I have taken all measures to keep these things off of the internal drive.
If it is not possible to ALWAYS leave ALL RESOURCES in "the Cloud" (and not download them with software updates) I would like to request that this please be a consideration for the future. Thanks. Dave
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Yes Scott Youngman that's a great explanation of what I'm doing. I only keep the books I use frequently downloaded to my device. It was also suggested that by using the Online version of Logos all resources are available in the cloud, however, I don't have access to saved layouts or the ability to save a layout, and perhaps a few other things, but still, the option under your profile picture to "Use on the Web" is nice option.
The only caveat in keeping many resources off a device with the Downloaded version is that I have to ignore the notice at the top of the screen every time I login that says I have 6.5 GB of updates available, and just close those notices.
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Dave Hill said:
that's a great explanation of what I'm doing.
If you are removing resources from your device using the library, then the download notifications you are seeing are not a prompt to re-download those books (if you remove those books, they should stay removed until you explicitly redownload them). It's a prompt to download updates to your datasets, which always download, and you don't have the option to selectively download. Failing to download dataset updates can result in a variety of issues from simply not having access to improvements to the tagging data to misaligned highlighting in search results. If you hadn't done something like manually find and delete those datasets from your hard drive, then downloading those updates are not usually going to result in significant changes to disk usage. You will also be missing out on any corrections and improvements to the books that you have explicitly downloaded (such updates also will usually not result in a significant changes to disk usage).
Dave Hill said: however, I don't have access to saved layouts or the ability to save a layout
Just create a normal bookmark in your browser. The layout is represented in the url.
Dave Hill said:I have to ignore the notice at the top of the screen every time I login that says I have 6.5 GB of updates available, and just close those notices.
If you are going to always close those notifications, then you can turn them off entirely using the "Show Notification Bar" option in your Program Settings.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew Batishko said:
If you hadn't done something like manually find and delete those datasets from your hard drive, then downloading those updates are not usually going to result in significant changes to disk usage. You will also be missing out on any corrections and improvements to the books that you have explicitly downloaded (such updates also will usually not result in a significant changes to disk usage).
If I understand you correctly, Andrew, the 6.5 GB of updates are only for the resources and datasets which are already on Dave's device. They essentially replace what is already there, and therefore do not take up a significant amount of additional drive space. Is that right?
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Scott Youngman said:
Is that right?
Correct. Unless Dave did something to manually remove those files rather than using the library to remove them.
There is also a possible scenario where the application was first installed and interrupted from downloading the datasets in the first place, in which case there may be undownloaded datasets that are just waiting the opportunity to start downloading.But under the normal use case of installing the application and removing unwanted resources, then yes, the pending downloads are just updates for the resources that are already on the user's drive.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks Andrew that information is helpful.
I installed the available updates last night. I watched the library resources on my device as the download proceeded and the resources "on my device" went from 5 to 90 within the first minute so I cancelled the download. However, I then restarted Logos, and the resources were back to 5 and there was a notification to complete the download process which I did.
I'm not sure why the resource number climbs "on my device" when I install the updates, this is what led me to believe in the past that it was installing new and updated resources. I'm not sure if they stopped installing because I cancelled the download or perhaps it's just a part of the update process which would eventually leave only the resources that were installed when complete. I'll try the next available update without cancelling next time.
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Andrew Batishko said:
There is also a possible scenario where the application was first installed and interrupted from downloading the datasets in the first place, in which case there may be undownloaded datasets that are just waiting the opportunity to start downloading.
This was probably the case for me. I probably cancelled the download a while back when I saw the resources "on my device" increasing. My datasets are all up to date now and only the resources I use daily are on my device.
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Glad you've got it set up now. If you run into something unexpected with this in the future, I'd recommend running with logging enabled and attach your log files to a post next time. That should make it clear exactly what is getting downloaded.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027869132-How-to-Enable-and-Submit-Log-Files
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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