Logos Reasoning for only allowing license transfer once?
I'm unsure of the best way to get an answer to my concern, so i thought i'd start here.
I'm 68 and have spent a very significant amount of money and time investing in my Logos resources over the past almost 30 years. I'd ball park my library costs as between $15,000 and $20,000. As I've added resources into Logos which i owned as physical books, I've given those books to either my church, my local library or to individuals. Those physical books will continue to exist for many many years to come.
At 68, my mortality no longer seems as unimportant as it did when i was in my 50's. My understanding is that i can pass along my Logos library one time via my will. I'm now wondering why this is limited to a single instance. I'm not interested in giving pieces of things away to different people, just a gift of my entire library.
It seems to me that it would be a reasonable thing to be able to bequeath my library to one of my children or grandchildren who could then do the same, just as if they were physical books.
I've been in these forums for many years now, but i don't think I've ever seen a cogent explanation of the reasoning for why this library I've invested so much time and money into acquiring, won't be able to be used well into the future just like my physical books. Understand that the undergirding assumption of my asking this question is that Logos will continue to exist as an entity. Otherwise, my question is moot.
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Maybe you could bequeath the library to one of your children via user account and password, so he/she will be continuing to use the same account? That wouldn't really involve a license transfer.
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Jan Krohn said:
Maybe you could bequeath the library to one of your children via user account and password, so he/she will be continuing to use the same account? That wouldn't really involve a license transfer.
That is certainly possible, but i think it would violate the Terms of Service and the policies of Logos as i understand them.
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John Kaess said:Jan Krohn said:
Maybe you could bequeath the library to one of your children via user account and password, so he/she will be continuing to use the same account? That wouldn't really involve a license transfer.
That is certainly possible, but i think it would violate the Terms of Service and the policies of Logos as i understand them.
Since a lot of changes have been made at Logos, maybe they can update the terms and conditions for leaving your library to someone after you die.
DAL
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DAL said:
Since a lot of changes have been made at Logos, maybe they can update the terms and conditions for leaving your library to someone after you die.
That is one of my hopes.
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If I remember right, the issue was students transferring libraries/books at a fast clip, vs publisher concerns.
I'd think wills might be fenced out, but it'd depend on the contracts.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I'd think wills might be fenced out, but it'd depend on the contracts.
I think this could be a doable option i.e. making a license transfer via a will to be treated without any future restrictions upon the library.
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I am 73 so your question is even more urgent for me (well, let's hope not too urgent!), but I have been thinking about the same thing and just this morning it occurred to me to ask this question, but found that you beat me to it. I am glad to see that, but disappointed not to see anyone from Logos weighing in on this. Anyone from Logos there???
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I am also disappointed that Logos has not responded.
I can understand why Logos would have a policy of only allowing reselling a resource once in order to keep resellers from making a market that would undercut publishers and Logos itself, but i look at a bequest of an entire library as a completely separate thing which should be without restrictions.
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DMB said:
If I remember right, the issue was students transferring libraries/books at a fast clip, vs publisher concerns.
I'd think wills might be fenced out, but it'd depend on the contracts.
Yes, and there was apparently someone, who actually interacted in one of the threads, who was apparently purchasing things on sale or with a student discount and then turning right around and reselling them.
I think Logos generally works within the spirit of the rules as opposed to the letter.
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Joseph Turner said:
I think Logos generally works within the spirit of the rules as opposed to the letter.
I would agree. But as companies farm out customer service, and eventually 'AI' the process, spirit and letter meld together. I'd hope, as you suggest, some 'spriit-ing' remains.
For many years, I've prided myself on earning annual stars for refunds. I've even refunded, only years later to buy it again (now having a need). I've always wondered, if I submitted an already-refunded purchase for a refund, it the staff member would go for it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I share your thoughts and concerns, John.
I'm especially bothered by the requirement to "name" in a Will, who the recipient of my Logos library will be when I die. If I name a person today, and live for 10 more years, there's no way for me to know if that person will still be the one I want to receive my library in 10 years. There's no way of knowing if a person I "name" today will still value and have time to use my library 10 years from now... or even 10 months from now. Life is dynamic, not static. That person might not even be alive in 10 years (or 10 months), and a Will is not something I want to have to consider updating every few years just because I'm required to "name" a recipient for my library in my Will.
My wife and I have had our current Wills since 1988, and they were thought through well enough and written in such a way, that without a single change, they still meet our wishes today. But that's without me having to account for the requirement to "name" who will get my Logos library.
I think "naming" a recipient in a Will is great for those whose situation leaves it easy for them to do that and then forget about it. But that's NOT my situation. I think it would provide MUCH more flexibility and peace of mind for many Logos users, if we had the option to simply state that the person named in our Will or Trust as executor, or named as our agent in a Power of Attorney, will chose the person to receive our Logos library.
I would much rather have the person I trust with my estate, name a recipient for my library after I pass, than me be required to name a recipient in a legal document, possibly several years before I pass.
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Rick,
I would have no problem with that at all. The point i'm trying to make is that a one time transfer of my entire Logos library at my death should not be encumbered by a policy which then will never allow it to be transferred again.
I understand Logos and publishers not wanting to make Logos resources into a secondary market. I think a bequest at the death of the owner of an entire library should be completely unencumbered just as my physical library of several hundred books will be.
I'm still hoping for a reply from Logos. In the old days i could whip off an email to Bob Pratchett, but those days are gone.
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I understand, John. When I opened my post with "I share your thoughts and concerns", I truly meant all of them. I think allowing a library to be "sold" once is generous. But I think allowing it to be "passed down" in perpetuity, is simply reasonable and right.John Kaess said:Rick,
I would have no problem with that at all. The point i'm trying to make is that a one time transfer of my entire Logos library at my death should not be encumbered by a policy which then will never allow it to be transferred again.
I understand Logos and publishers not wanting to make Logos resources into a secondary market. I think a bequest at the death of the owner of an entire library should be completely unencumbered just as my physical library of several hundred books will be.
I'm still hoping for a reply from Logos. In the old days i could whip off an email to Bob Pratchett, but those days are gone.
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John Kaess said:
The point i'm trying to make is that a one time transfer of my entire Logos library at my death should not be encumbered by a policy which then will never allow it to be transferred again.
I think that the policy of not being able to take it with you is also unreasonable. Who knows how much arguing I will have to do with St Peter? Having Logos available on my laptop might be a great reassurance.
Does Logos itself have a policy for inter dimensional use?
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Mike Binks said:
Does Logos itself have a policy for inter dimensional use?
Or, in case Jesus returns first, a policy for use of an extended period of time of 1000 years?
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