A Proposed Resolution to Slow Laptop when Using Logos
My Laptop slows considerably when using logos. Is there any information I can provide to assist in resolving this problem?
Phil W
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My Laptop slows considerably when using logos. Is there any information I can provide to assist in resolving this problem?
Phil W
Operating System
Hard Drive type
Hard Drive capacity
Hard Drive free space
Confirm on the latest version
Logs might help.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Operating System - Windows 10 Pro
Hard Drive type - files system NTFS
Hard Drive capacity - 393Gb,
Hard Drive free space - 70.7 Gb free
Confirm on the latest version
Logs might help - see file attached
Device name LAPTOP-######
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz 2.40 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.84 GB usable)
Device ID 4######
Product ID ######
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display8130.Logos.zipPlease request any further information as required.
Phil W
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Hard Drive type - files system NTFS
Is this a solid state device?
Experience has shown that having an SSD provides a significant performance boost.
I'd look at that first - then there are varying views as to whether 8GB of RAM is enough.
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I'm an infant at comupter technicalities. Can you tell me how to find the details? I've found some details, but I'm not sure if its pertinent.
Drive C:
Description Local Fixed Disk
Compressed No
File System NTFS
Size 464.51 GB (498,768,801,792 bytes)
Free Space 66.01 GB (70,878,076,928 bytes)
Volume Name Windows
Volume Serial Number CC169100Phil W
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Description Disk drive
Manufacturer (Standard disk drives)
Model ST500LM021-1KJ152
Bytes/Sector 512
Media Loaded Yes
Media Type Fixed hard disk
Partitions 3
SCSI Bus 0
SCSI Logical Unit 0
SCSI Port 0
SCSI Target ID 1
Sectors/Track 63
Size 465.76 GB (500,105,249,280 bytes)
Total Cylinders 60,801
Total Sectors 976,768,065
Total Tracks 15,504,255
Tracks/Cylinder 255
Partition Disk #0, Partition #0
Partition Size 260.00 MB (272,629,760 bytes)
Partition Starting Offset 1,048,576 bytes
Partition Disk #0, Partition #1
Partition Size 464.51 GB (498,768,805,888 bytes)
Partition Starting Offset 290,455,552 bytes
Partition Disk #0, Partition #2
Partition Size 1,000.00 MB (1,048,576,000 bytes)
Partition Starting Offset 499,059,261,440 bytes0 -
I have 8Gb RAM.
Do you think I should get more Ram? How much?
Phil W
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Model ST500LM021-1KJ152
This is a conventional hard drive with rotating heads.
I expect that the best way to increase performance is to replace / augment this with a solid state disk with at least 512GB of space.
I note that from what you say above you aren't particularly experience in these areas - do you have someone who can assist in working on this?
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Model ST500LM021-1KJ152
This is a conventional hard drive with rotating heads.
I expect that the best way to increase performance is to replace / augment this with a solid state disk with at least 512GB of space.
I note that from what you say above you aren't particularly experience in these areas - do you have someone who can assist in working on this?
@Philip, since you say are no computer wizz, I'd suggest you don't try to replace your internal HD, but buy an external SSD which connects through one of the USB ports. This should definitely improve performance.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Do you also recommend some more RAM?
Can you help me locate the correct hard disk and RAM for my laptop with the details already given or do you need more?
I can ask someone locally to help me install the hardware.
Phil W
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Load logos onto an external hard drive?
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i've found a local website with some hardware details for the T460 laptop.
https://www.upgradeable.com.au/collections/lenovo_thinkpad_thinkpad-t460p
Computer Memory
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
Lenovo 16GB DDR4 2400 MHz SODIMM
Part No: UL1849
$ 76.00
29 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
Lenovo 16GB DDR4 2666 MHz SODIMM
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$ 76.00
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4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
Lenovo 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz SODIMM
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$ 48.00
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4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
Lenovo 8GB DDR4 2666 MHz SODIMM
Part No: UL1896
$ 48.00
20 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
Lenovo 4GB DDR4 2400 MHz SODIMM
Part No: UL1884
$ 39.00
16 in Stock
Solid State Drives
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
4TB Crucial MX500 SSD with cloning kit
Part No: UL1725
$ 479.00
9 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
2TB Crucial P5 Plus NVME M.2 SSD with cloning kit
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$ 329.00
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2TB Crucial MX500 SSD with cloning kit
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$ 248.00
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1TB Crucial P5 Plus NVME M.2 SSD with cloning kit
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1TB Crucial P3 Plus NVME M.2 SSD with cloning kit
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$ 182.00
< 5 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
500GB Crucial P2 NVME M.2 SSD with cloning kit
Part No: UL1084
$ 153.00
< 5 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
1TB Crucial MX500 SSD with cloning kit
Part No: UL1817
$ 144.00
22 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
500GB Crucial P5 Plus NVME M.2 SSD with cloning kit
Part No: UL1076
$ 137.00
< 5 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
500GB Crucial P3 Plus NVME M.2 SSD with cloning kit
Part No: UL1085
$ 126.00
< 5 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
500GB Crucial MX500 SSD with cloning kit
Part No: UL1816
$ 94.00
28 in Stock
4GB DDR2 800 MHz DIMM (2x2GB) Apple compatible kit
1x OWC Express external USB 3.0 case for 2.5 inch drive
Part No: UL1451
$ 37.00
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These are the recommended specs:
Windows
- Most recent stable release of Windows 10 or Windows 11
- Latest generation quad-core Intel Core i7 processor (or AMD equivalent)
- 16GB of RAM
- 512GB NVMe SSD
- 60GB Free space -- internal SSDMay require more space depending on the size of the library.
- 2560 x 1440 resolution display
- 1GB+ DirectX11 Compatible Video Card
- Highspeed broadband internet speed connection
(see: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007554992-Recommended-Hardware-and-Software)
All items you listed list the RAM as 800MHz, read further to understand the risks:
CPU
Intel or AMD are recommended because of the mathematical capabilities of these CPU's. Celeron's can't compete.
HDD or SSD
HDD's normally run at 1700rpm on power and 1500rpm on battery. This makes a big difference on a laptop. SSD's doesn't have that problem, they are just out of this world for someone used to HDD's.
Logos make use of a lot of databases and files. This indicates that it needs to access the hard drive a lot because the complete application can't be loaded into RAM. Finding a balance between the drive and RAM is the secret for a healthy environment.
RAM
Windows use at least 4GB RAM for itself, the rest are used by other applications. Many argue that 8GB RAM is fine, but 16GB is better. You will notice the difference when working with two or more apps open at the same time.
The Mhz of RAM is very important. Consider 2333 Mhz and above. Bigger number respresent faster RAM. If you have two different RAM modules and the one is faster than the other the system will fallback to the speed of the slowest.
Upgrading RAM and keeping the hdd won't be as good as upgrading to ssd and keeping the RAM. If virtual memory are used by your system the SSD will provide faster speeds while the HDD will slow down the system.
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Do you also recommend some more RAM?
Can you help me locate the correct hard disk and RAM for my laptop with the details already given or do you need more?
I can ask someone locally to help me install the hardware.
Phil W
I would ignore all the help offered here and not spend any more money on this obsolete computer. The processor is 10 year old technology. The Intel skylake architechture used was designed for Mechanical hard drives and will not be able to take full advantage of the speed of a modern SSD.
Since you are using close to 4TB of space, you would need to get an SSD at least 5TB which is going to cost ~$300+. It is not worth putting this much money into a 10 year old laptop.
Wait for a good sale and get a new one [H]
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Since you are using close to 4TB of space, you would need to get an SSD at least 5TB which is going to cost ~$300+. It is not worth putting this much money into a 10 year old laptop.
4TB? Where did he say that?
~$300 for a 5TB SSD external drive or for a laptop with 5TB of SSD storage? If the latter, things must have changed a whole lot from when I bought my laptop in Jan 2023. I paid close to US$800 (incl. tax, and and after a US$320.00 discount) for a 512GB SSD HP laptop.
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~$300 for a 5TB SSD external drive ...
I looked at prices at BestBuy.com for a quality name brand Sata *Internal* SSD. Logos is not supported on *external* drives. There are many threads discussing this.
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Load logos onto an external hard drive?
A modern laptop with 1 TB SSD drive and 16 GB memory would be far better.
There are problems with an external drive being connected to a portable laptop and maintaining the connection (you don't want to disconnect at the wrong time).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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~$300 for a 5TB SSD external drive ...
I looked at prices at BestBuy.com for a quality name brand Sata *Internal* SSD. Logos is not supported on *external* drives. There are many threads discussing this.
1 TB would be adequate for the OP, assuming that the internal drive can be replaced and that the OP is capable of cloning the existing drive.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I looked at prices at BestBuy.com for a quality name brand Sata *Internal* SSD. Logos is not supported on *external* drives. There are many threads discussing this.
I don't know one way or other about external drives or what is supported (never had much reason to be interested no matter how many threads discuss them), but since you were advising him to get a new computer, I wondered if someone could really buy a computer with a 5TB SSD for only $300.00. Now that you've confirmed it is only the drive, the price makes more sense to me.
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I don't know one way or other about external drives or what is supported (never had much reason to be interested no matter how many threads discuss them), but since you were advising him to get a new computer, I wondered if someone could really buy a computer with a 5TB SSD for only $300.00. Now that you've confirmed it is only the drive, the price makes more sense to me.
I made a mistake when I read his drive information. He would only need a 500GB or so SSD. These could be obtained for a lot less. My tendency would still be to get a new system, it is likely the MB only supports Sata 3
As far as external drives go, you can search the forum. It is technically possible to do but not recommended or supported.
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Id like to thank everyone who helped with the above thread. Your advice helped me decide upon a course of action involving the purchases of another laptop.
Cheers to all
Phil W
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Id like to thank everyone who helped with the above thread. Your advice helped me decide upon a course of action involving the purchases of another laptop.
Cheers to all
Phil W
Good move Philip - now don't let upfront price have too much influence on your purchase decision. A new laptop should last five to seven years if need for professional work. Make a list of all the expected costs of the various machines over that term. Subscription to services needed / not needed etc. Find the 'Total Cost of Ownership' over which ever period you decide and let that be your guiding light.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Will do.
I admire how the logos community always pitches in to give some good advice for their fellow travellers.
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How do I copy my logos files from my existing hard drive to the new laptop hard drive? I cant find the logos folder on my existing hard drive.
Phil W
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How do I copy my logos files from my existing hard drive to the new laptop hard drive? I cant find the logos folder on my existing hard drive.
There is some guidance at https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers - including showing where the files are held
Although, if you don't have any network limitations, it may be simpler to simply install Logos and allow it to download all your files / documents.
The only things you might not get then are Personal Books and they could be handled separately.
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I dont really understand the instructions. Is there a video showing the steps?
Phil W
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Is there a video showing the steps?
Not that I am aware of
I suggest simplying installing the software on the new laptop, logging in and letting Logos download itself - you can start this process at https://www.logos.com/get-started
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I think I've worked it out. I'll find out tomorrow when the laptop arrives.
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