Logos Pro
I have the following:
1. Faithlife Connect Essentials - No Library (formerly Logos Now)-Annual. $99.99 + tax.
2. I own Logos 10 Full Feature Set.
3. I have Logos 10.
When Logos 11 arrives, If I cancel my subscription for Faithlife Connect Essentials which will be going away, and do not subscribe to the new subscription, what will happen? Will I still be able to run the software on my system as I am doing today?
I am not saying that I won't subscribe. I would just like to get in my mind what would happen if I didn't subscribe.
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Steve Shelton said:
Will I still be able to run the software on my system as I am doing today?
Yes.
Continuing to run the software and access the books and feature sets that you have already purchased does not require a subscription.
(Note: if your only access to Logos Features was through FL Connect Essentials and you cancelled that, then the features would go away. But since you said you own Logos 10 Full Feature Set, then those features are not dependent on a subscription.)
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I have a similar issue, but I don't own the Full Feature Set. But I'm trying to figure out which "features" would remain. Reading books, sorting books in the library, the home page, etc. ; these are all features that will remain, I think. But I haven't seen a clear delineation of what will remain. I've had FC so long I don't know what it would look like without it. Can someone help me figure it out?
(I actually created a new test account to see, but I'm not sure it's an accurate demonstration.)
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Bradley, thanks for the quick reply. I do own the Logos 10 full feature set.
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Lew Worthington said:
I have a similar issue, but I don't own the Full Feature Set. But I'm trying to figure out which "features" would remain. Reading books, sorting books in the library, the home page, etc. ; these are all features that will remain, I think. But I haven't seen a clear delineation of what will remain. I've had FC so long I don't know what it would look like without it. Can someone help me figure it out?
(I actually created a new test account to see, but I'm not sure it's an accurate demonstration.)
Hi Lew,
If you log into Logos.com under the user that has the FL Connect and search for Full Feature set Upgrade and then click on the product, it will show what is owned by you and what will be lost if you discontinue your subscription. Below is a screenshot section showing the data sets owned and not owned on my account. (I am a FL Connect subscriber as well). If you scroll through you own and what you are subscribed to.
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Thanks for the reply, John. Yes, I've done that, but that doesn't tell me much in terms of functionality. But maybe there's no way to decode the user experience until I try it.
My apologies. I did not mean to hijack the thread.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Steve Shelton said:
Will I still be able to run the software on my system as I am doing today?
Yes.
Continuing to run the software and access the books and feature sets that you have already purchased does not require a subscription.
(Note: if your only access to Logos Features was through FL Connect Essentials and you cancelled that, then the features would go away. But since you said you own Logos 10 Full Feature Set, then those features are not dependent on a subscription.)
Thanks! This has been the clearest answer so far. I’m happy with my full feature set and I’m glad I’m keeping them! Hopefully, they’ll be supported and maintained. Meanwhile, I’ll wait for my FL Connect No Library subscription to expire and the subscribe to Logos Pro to start using the new features! I may even subscribe this week since my connect subscription is already paid for until May of this year, so Logos Pro won’t be an extra expense.
DAL
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Steve had mentioned that he has the "full" feature set. I have this feature set. Is my feature set NOT the "full" feature set?
mm.
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Lew Worthington said:
But maybe there's no way to decode the user experience until I try it.
I thought John's method made sense. So I tried it. I was doing great .... 'don't need that, that, that'. Then, I noticed a lot of the features, I own as a resource (which is is what I use). And some became a feature? I noticed LEB. Hard to say. Best I can see, the RI's might be an issue but I only use them for handy right-clicks. I think I could do without the Logos features.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm curious about. I have lots of stuff like that where right-clicking might be helpful. I've got the resources (er, I mean "books") to give me everything I need. So that might be the way to go for me. As long as right-click functionality is still there, that is.
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DAL said:
Thanks! This has been the clearest answer so far. I’m happy with my full feature set and I’m glad I’m keeping them! Hopefully, they’ll be supported and maintained.
Please see Mark's important clarification here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/221543/1289582.aspx#1289582
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:* We're still supporting licenses bought decades ago. But like every software company, we can't guarantee that every feature will work exactly the same forever. As our practice has always been, and as stated on our support page, "very occasionally... we may remove little-used features that no longer provide value to our users." We've done that recently with features such as Faithlife Assistant or Handouts, for example.
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:DAL said:
Thanks! This has been the clearest answer so far. I’m happy with my full feature set and I’m glad I’m keeping them! Hopefully, they’ll be supported and maintained.
Please see Mark's important clarification here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/221543/1289582.aspx#1289582
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:* We're still supporting licenses bought decades ago. But like every software company, we can't guarantee that every feature will work exactly the same forever. As our practice has always been, and as stated on our support page, "very occasionally... we may remove little-used features that no longer provide value to our users." We've done that recently with features such as Faithlife Assistant or Handouts, for example.
According to Adam Borris, Handouts was just experimental: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/180932/1046559.aspx#1046559
It’s understandable if handouts were removed because it was an experiment. But why remove features we paid for based on usability? I paid for features I should decide when to use them or if I use some and others not. That’s why I paid for them! I should decide whether I use them now or in the future.
Sorry to say this, but I would thread very carefully on what you guys really want to do or pull off on customers as that may lead to a huge lawsuit. Even this whole AI subscription is pointless if you can only use it so many times!
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DAL said:
It’s understandable if handouts were removed because it was an experiment. But why remove features we paid for based on usability? I paid for features I should decide when to use them or if I use some and others not. That’s why I paid for them! I should decide whether I use them now or in the future.
How upset should I be that when they changed the third-party software behind charting, I lost the charts I found most useful?
Or that I lost a variant morphology when they standardized a resource to the closely related Logos morphology? Or that my ability to generate my own timelines in Libronix 3 was labeled hacking and not brought over into Logos 4?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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DAL said:
According to Adam Borris, Handouts was just experimental: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/180932/1046559.aspx#1046559
It’s understandable if handouts were removed because it was an experiment
I didn't use handouts a lot but was still not happy it was removed. I found them useful to print out things for my kids to read. I wish they'd bring that functionality back.
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I don’t know how upset you should be, MJ. Everybody is different. I’m just pointing out the fact that they should be careful not to get into the habit of removing stuff that customers have already paid for, whether they think is being used a lot or not. People own the features they paid for, it’s up to people if they use some more than other features.
DAL
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DAL said:
I’m just pointing out the fact that they should be careful not to get into the habit of removing stuff that customers have already paid for, whether they think is being used a lot or not.
Whereas I expect the software to evolve over time - losing some features and gaining others. Changes in operating systems and third party software sometimes force changes as in Smart Tags. I expect reasonable parity to what I've purchased,
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Lew Worthington said:
Thanks for the reply, John. Yes, I've done that, but that doesn't tell me much in terms of functionality. But maybe there's no way to decode the user experience until I try it.
My apologies. I did not mean to hijack the thread.
Block out what you own ("Hide owned resources") and look under Features.
Dave
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