Newbie: How to Use Bullinger's FOS Dataset

Hi, so I'm a newbie. Downloaded and installed the software just to see if it was a useful tool to browse Bullinger's Figures of Speech. I bought the "dataset".

#1 How do I tell add-in was installed?

# 2 How do I use the thing? Best I can tell, it might just add a + somewhere in a verse (try Gen 3:17, "dying you shall die"), and under the "Information" tab, a tiny "Other References" to 3 different figures (1 correct) without any indication of the source (could be anyone I suppose), words affected, and not any kind of link or explanation. Pretty much useless.

#3 How do I look up Bullinger's other identifications of the same or related figures? Is the thing good for anything at all in anyone's experience?

#4 The "Figurative Language" tab produces nothing. I just closed it. Is it supposed to do something related to Bullinger's thing?

#5 Should I have bought the Logos Edition book instead and would it allow me to do all of what one dreams of doing? That is, see the figure in its usage, get a definitive explanation, and then find other such usages?

Aside: The default "hover" option for "Corresponding Words" would give anyone a headache, I'm thinking. Thought I found an option to turn it off, but it continues to mercilessly change the info tab on mouse move. Any way to disable?

Thank you.

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MJ. Smith

Selected the text
Open Context menu by right click
Expand labels (the Accent group)
Put the Bullinger coding in a red box to bring it to you attention
Select the first Bullinger entry which changes the content on the right (action side)
On the right of the action menu, select search Bible
Logos build the search and gives me a list of all the passages with the same Bullinger coding

Play with that and see if it gets you familiar with your purchase.

James Bond

HI MJ. Smith, thanks for taking the time to reply.

I've tried that with Gen 2:17, selected the phrase "thou shalt surely die". The "Info" tab lists 3 FOS, 1 of which is correct. ("Polyptoton", Many Inflections). The right-click popup shows Metonomy, only, and is incorrect. I do a search Bible on that anyway, replace the query text with Polyptoton, and I get a list of 326 verses with no indication of what in the verse utilizes said figure. None of Bullinger's discussion of the figure at all. So far, not really helpful, and a lot of work to get that.

I looked the verse up in my hard copy just to make sure it is referenced by Bullinger. It is on page 272 with a separate paragraph discussing usage in Gen 2:17. His companion bible includes an accurate footnote so I know to at least consider the correct figure, and can go look it up in his FOS book.

I do this all the while a mouse move over the text replaces the Info tab every half second with whatever it thinks is under the mouse. It is almost impossible to avoid.

So, is that the best this piece of software can do?

Thank you again.

Wolfgang Schneider

So, is that the best this piece of software can do?

I have used the following steps for quick access to figures mentioned in Bullinger's work while reading through a Bible

Make a collection which has Bullinger's book in it.
Open "Cited By" tool and add that collection to it
Link your Bible and the "Cited By" by a Linkset
As you scroll through your Bible, the "Cited by" tool follows
If FOS book mentions that verse and a figure or figures, it will be listed in "Cited by"
From that list you can then open FOS book to the respective entry and continue with your study there

Perhaps this will help to utilize the FOS resource more effectively.

Dave Hooton

I've tried that with Gen 2:17, selected the phrase "thou shalt surely die". The "Info" tab lists 3 FOS, 1 of which is correct. ("Polyptoton", Many Inflections).

A Books Search for Gen 2:17 in Bullinger's FOS has it also listed under Synecdoche and Metonymy and Logos Help states "If (and only if) a verse is mentioned in Bullinger’s discussion of a figure of speech, that verse is labeled with that figure of speech". So that explains the reasoning, and the Info tab is correct.

The right-click popup shows Metonomy, only, and is incorrect..

The right-click in a Bible shows all 3 FOS (NABRE below). So why do you consider Metonomy to be incorrect?

I do a search Bible on that anyway, replace the query text with Polyptoton, and I get a list of 326 verses with no indication of what in the verse utilizes said figure.

Your Search result is correct. As stated above (from Logos Help), only the verse is labelled (not the applicable text). To align the text of many different bibles with that of Bullinger's King James bible is more involved. An implementation at the second level of each FOS would have been possible, though e.g.Metonymy of the Cause, Metonymy of the Effect.

I looked the verse up in my hard copy just to make sure it is referenced by Bullinger. It is on page 272 with a separate paragraph discussing usage in Gen 2:17. His companion bible includes an accurate footnote so I know to at least consider the correct figure

Yes, the Polyptoton is also on that page in Logos' FOS version, and this is the only source used by the label.

I do this all the while a mouse move over the text replaces the Info tab every half second with whatever it thinks is under the mouse. It is almost impossible to avoid.

An option in the Panel menu of Info will allow you to select by mouse Click rather than Hover, so the Info tab will not be affected by movement.

Wolfgang Schneider

The right-click in a Bible shows all 3 FOS (NABRE below). So why do you consider Metonomy to be incorrect?

I think there is a misunderstanding ...the Bullinger dataset is utilizing the verse reference rather than the exact phrase. Thus at times you find several figures listed in the right click context menu because that verse contains entries for several figures in the FOS book.

As for Gen 2:17, the figure Metonymy is correctly mentioned, but it refers to the phrase "In the day ..." in Gen 2:17, while Polyptoton is correctly mentioned but refers to the phrase "shalt surely die" in Gen 2:17.

Mattillo

The cited by is a great suggestion. Any other books like the FoS book we could add to that collection? I see you have others but I don’t read German

James Bond

@W. Schneider: Hi, thank you for your response. This looks like the most promising help. However, it means I'll need to purchase the Logos Volume for FoS Used in the Bible, which is fine by me.

I suspect it is only going to open up the Volume and I'll have to locate what I'm after nonetheless. In a smart app that was a big help, I'd want to find:

1. Identification of which figure is employed on selected word or phrase

2. All of Bullinger's notes on said usage.

3. All of Bullinger's notes on said figure.

4. Links to all other usages of said figure. Again, those would be exact links that identify exact translation (KJV since that is what Bullinger uses) word, words, or phrase, and even Strong's numbers (which can be gotten with the interlinear, of course).

What would also be nice is linking to related figures (and how), and even perhaps comparison against similar but different figures. I could think of a few other useful things.

James Bond

Thanks! Got rid of the mouse-hover event switching the content of the Info panel. Thought it ws an option elsewhere.

It's a disappointment that the tool doesn't do more than it does right now. I still need my hard copy.

MARVIN MCFADIN

I am a complete newbie to Logos, but I use my Bullinger Companion and try to be aware of FoS in my study. So this thread is very timely, and has a lot of useful information and discussion. To confirm, there is no easy way for a user to know which words of a verse are part of a figure of speech, much less which figure in the case of multiples per verse? And since Logos is more centered on versified indexing, this would be a considerable task. To be sure the Cited By using Bullinger's FoS and perhaps the NTSK would be very useful.

But one would suppose that a resource of notes tied to the actual text of a reference translation say (KJV) in case of Bullinger would pinpoint the translated words to the specific figure, which would then be useful when crossed with alternative translations. I know that a user can create such a notebook, but could such a notebook be used as a link set data source for other users, or is that use case only for the individual user?