Please forgive me if it has a different interpretation than I thought.My intenstion is only my curiosity how much worth the software is for us.
I guess I might be an exception, but I've never invested in the software, but have instead invested in thousands of individual resources and multiple Legacy Libraries.
How much money have you invested in the Software?
This can be considered a rude or nosy question, on the same level with asking someone what is their salary. And it's worse when done in a public space. But this is only my opinion.
Sorry! Please forgive me if it has a different interpretation than I thought.My intenstion is only my curiosity how much worth the software for us.
My intenstion is only my curiosity how much worth the software for us.
My response was not to question your intention but to show how the question can come across as inappropriate.
Several factors would come into play to determine how valuable Logos is to us, not simply the amount of money we spend on it. Some people may use and value Logos a lot but have little money to spend on it, while others may spend a lot and only dabble in it.
Also, money spent as a lump figure does not account for sales, coupons, etc. Let's say Person A and Person B have the exact same library which consists of one base package (that is highly unlikely but let's go with it 😛). Person A spent US$100.00 on their base package and Person B spent US$70.00; yet they have same books/features. Well, it turns out Person B got their base package on sale for 30% off. So which one values Logos more? No idea. This is not something we can quantify.
This is not something we can quantify.
But wish we could!
I remember when I first started out, I wanted to do 'A'. That was 2005. Then, I invested to do 'B'. I'd say that was 2012 or so. Then, I decided for 'C'. Like a card game, I should have 'held' at 'B'. Sure, I enjoy 'C' purchases. But I maximized at 'B', realistically.
FL marketing suggests 'more, more'! And for good reason ... business. But I wonder if there's a point where one has enough (different for each person).
Thanks Tes. This is a great question but somehow I feel that it might have been misinterpreted. Each of us places a different value upon the software (the program and the resources we have acquired). My library tells me that I have over 22,000 results. I use my library every day and I am retired so I also use it most of the day. Certainly that is true in the winter months. When the warmer weather hits I will be hitting the trails with my mountain bike or running shoes a lot more but will still be using Logos every day. I open Logos before I have breakfast and I close it before I go to bed. It is where I study, where I read, where I take notes. And if you consider the forums as a part of the "software" it is where I connect with other users of the software. I keep adding to the resources every month as my interests and projects change. I have never been a paid employee of any Christian organization. What I do in Logos is for pure pleasure. The work I do in my church in preaching and teaching is completely volunteer. The worth or value of the program at least for me is priceless. I wouldn't sell it for anything. It is my most prized possession. If I am having a bad day, I have resources in my library that will help give me a fresh perspective. If I am having a good day, I have resources that will make my day even better. I have gotten to know many biblical scholars through their books, commentaries and mobile ed programs and have made friends through the forums and Faithlife groups that I am a part of. Though I place a very high worth upon the software it increases every day as I spend time in the resources and connect with my good friends here in the forums. It amazes me how much some of our MVPs actually know. They blow me away! Thank you for being here, you have been an inspiration to me!
Until now, the software has always been free.
Resources and Subscriptions are another thing.
1) How much have you paid 2) How much value have you gained from it + how much you expect to gain from it 3) Resale market value 4) Value other than resources--such as: knowledge acquired + services rendered.
The plan is to continue having a free version of the program ...features have been an added cost for some time.
The worth or value of the program at least for me is priceless. I wouldn't sell it for anything. It is my most prized possession. If I am having a bad day, I have resources in my library that will help give me a fresh perspective. If I am having a good day, I have resources that will make my day even better.
Michael,
I too, have no doubt that Tes was speaking of the value that each of us might find in Logos as users, and I very much appreciate the wonderful response that you have given as an example.
I am retired as well, and now enjoy the privilege of serving in ministry in an unpaid capacity. My day generally starts with a cup of coffee, and study with the aid of Logos.
I might:
use it to help prepare Sunday school lessons,
use it to help prepare sermons,
use it to help prepare youth group presentations,
use it to help prepare communion meditations,
use it to help prepare training curriculum.
Through this and outside of this, I use it to help in my own spiritual growth.
In using Logos, I find that the search for knowledge, the ability to find information and put it together in a coherent way that helps others grow closer to God, is just so much quicker. If I were to attempt to do the same study without the use of Logos, I would not have enough time in the day to do 1/4 of what I am able to do with Logos.
I have also mentioned elsewhere how I lost the vast majority of my paper library in a house fire. Replacing all of those books would have cost more than Logos has ever cost me.
So, does Logos have value to me? Far more than I can calculate. Would I give up other things I pay for in my life in order to retain the ability to use Logos? In a heartbeat!
I have no doubt about the value of the software. I have had Quickverse, PC Study Bible, and Wordsearch. All have their good points, but Logos is far superior to them for me. I have used simply a word of appreciation to express how worthy of time, money, and energy the software is. It is like asking a child if he loves his mother. In this case, the answer is already clear: the child loves his mother. The motive of the question and the answer are both clear. The expectation is only to know how he expresses his love for his mother and his reaction. I would also add that it is not only about the value of the software, but also about the quality and hard work of the Logos Staff. And most of all, I have great respect and appreciation for the "MVP"s, as well as for those who are a great help to me and most of us in how to use the software. If you had not done this, the software would be a closed envelope for me. I would like to express my gratitude to you on this occasion.
Beautifully said, brother.
Yes indeed Tes, wonderfully said.
Value is subjective; worth is easily determined: it is what you paid for it. I worked in the cable television industry for 20 years in the 80s-00s. I was amazed when customers constantly parroted the line "It's not worth the price!", to which I replied (in my mind only) "Duh ... disconnect!".
While I'm being cranky: An investment results from a financial interest in lending to individuals, companies, or governments (CDs / savings, Bonds, T-bills, etc) or in ownership (equities, mutual funds, real estate, etc.) with the goal of monetary income and / or market value growth. Purchasng a tool-of-the-trade, a personal library, etc., is an expenditure. I think we have President Clinton to thank for this slick little bit of language legerdemain, used to emotionalize the spending of money.
Certainly, we here in America might see worth as being defined as “what we paid for it” in the sense of monetary cost; and investment as only dealing with financial results.
The truth is, these words, just like most words, can be used to mean a number of things. The word worth is used to define value in some instances, just as the word value is used to define worth in others.
It is no wonder that sometimes when we are having online conversations with people from all over the world, the conversation can be confusing at times.
1worth \ˈwərth\ verb intransitive
[Middle English, from Old English weorthan; akin to Old High German werdan to become, Latin vertere to turn, Lithuanian versti to overturn, Sanskrit vartate he turns] before 12th century archaic: become—usually used in the phrase woe worth
2worth adjective
[Middle English, from Old English weorth worthy, of (a specified) value; akin to Old High German werd worthy, worth] before 12th century
1 archaic: having monetary or material value
2 archaic: estimable—for all one is worth: to the fullest extent of one’s value or ability
3worth noun
before 12th century
1 a: monetary value 〈farmhouse and lands of little worth〉
b: the equivalent of a specified amount or figure 〈a dollar’s worth of gas〉
2: the value of something measured by its qualities or by the esteem in which it is held 〈a literary heritage of great worth〉
3 a: moral or personal value 〈trying to teach human worth〉
b: merit, excellence 〈a field in which we have proved our worth〉
4: wealth, riches
4worth preposition
13th century
1 a: equal in value to
b: having assets or income equal to
2: deserving of 〈well worth the effort〉—worth one’s salt: of substantial or significant value or merit[1]
—
1val•ue \ˈval-(ˌ)yü\ noun
[Middle English, worth, high quality, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *valuta, from feminine of *valutus, past participle of Latin valēre to be of worth, be strong—more at wield] 14th century
1: a fair return or equivalent in goods, services, or money for something exchanged
2: the monetary worth of something: market price
3: relative worth, utility, or importance 〈a good value at the price〉 〈the value of base stealing in baseball〉 〈had nothing of value to say〉
4: a numerical quantity that is assigned or is determined by calculation or measurement 〈let x take on positive values〉 〈a value for the age of the earth〉
5: the relative duration of a musical note
6 a: relative lightness or darkness of a color: luminosity
b: the relation of one part in a picture to another with respect to lightness and darkness
7: something (as a principle or quality) intrinsically valuable or desirable 〈sought material values instead of human values—W. H. Jones〉
8: denomination 2—val•ue•less \-(ˌ)yü-ləs, -yə-\ adjective—val•ue•less•ness noun
2value verb transitive
val•ued; val•u•ing 15th century
1 a: to estimate or assign the monetary worth of: appraise 〈value a necklace〉
b: to rate or scale in usefulness, importance, or general worth: evaluate
2: to consider or rate highly: prize, esteem 〈values your opinion〉 synonym see estimate, appreciate—val•u•er \-yə-wər\ noun[2]
1in•vest \in-ˈvest\ verb transitive
[Latin investire to clothe, surround, from in- + vestis garment—more at wear] circa 1534
1 Medieval Latin investire, from Latin, to clothe
a: to array in the symbols of office or honor
b: to furnish with power or authority
c: to grant someone control or authority over: vest
2: to cover completely: envelop
3: clothe, adorn
4 Middle French investir, from Old Italian investire, from Latin, to surround: to surround with troops or ships so as to prevent escape or entry
5: to endow with a quality: infuse
2invest verb
[Italian investire to clothe, invest money, from Latin, to clothe] verb transitive 1613
1: to commit (money) in order to earn a financial return
2: to make use of for future benefits or advantages 〈invested her time wisely〉
3: to involve or engage especially emotionally 〈were deeply invested in their children’s lives〉 verb intransitive: to make an investment—in•vest•able \-ˈves-tə-bəl\ adjective—in•ves•tor \-tər\ noun[3]
[1] Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
[2] Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
[3] Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
The fact that Logos mostly just works, I consider it priceless. I still work with some physical books, but I could never do what I do with Logos. It pulls almost everything together for me.
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