Automatic Theme Switching for macOS?
Maybe I was just misunderstanding the release notes for 33.0, but is this release supposed to introduce the long-awaited automatic theme-switching (dark/light mode) feature that all of us mac users have been looking for for the last few years? Because if it was supposed to, it's not working for me. 
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Bobby Bosler said:
Maybe I was just misunderstanding the release notes for 33.0, but is this release supposed to introduce the long-awaited automatic theme-switching (dark/light mode) feature that all of us mac users have been looking for for the last few years? Because if it was supposed to, it's not working for me.
It is there - but it requires a Logos Pro subscription to enable it. Would that explain it?
I will admit the release notes don't seem clear on this!
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Graham Criddle said:
It is there - but it requires a Logos Pro subscription to enable it.
You've got to be kidding. I've got to pay more money for a feature/bugfix that should have been there in the first place? Not a good look, Faithlife.
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Bobby Bosler said:
You've got to be kidding. I've got to pay more money for a feature/bugfix that should have been there in the first place? Not a good look, Faithlife.
Bingo!
I'm thinking a bonanza from subscriptions just to fix earlier design flaws! Finally, all those poor designs will literally mean piggy-bank time for Faithlife.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I agree Bobby. This is not good. They (FaithLife) are not being clear or amicable on this perplexing matter. It sucks that it is a bug and design flaw and now they require you to get a Pro subscription to get the fix. This is a fatal flaw.
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Bobby Bosler said:Graham Criddle said:
It is there - but it requires a Logos Pro subscription to enable it.
You've got to be kidding. I've got to pay more money for a feature/bugfix that should have been there in the first place? Not a good look, Faithlife.
Faithlife should do the right thing and release this into the standard interface. No one should have to subscribe for interface improvements that should have been built in to begin with.
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The original dark mode was initially only available to paying L9 customers before becoming more widely available several months later.
This has been a common practice throughout our development:
- Some improvements are made available to everyone straight away (e.g. the multiversion picker in search in v33)
- Some improvements are first made available to upgraders, and later to non-upgraders (e.g. dark mode in L9)
- Some improvements remain available exclusively to upgraders (e.g. Sermon Builder)
You won't always agree with which bucket different improvements are put in, but I don't expect the overall pattern will change with the move to subscription.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
The original dark mode was initially only available to paying L9 customers before becoming more widely available several months later.
This has been a common practice throughout our development:
- Some improvements are made available to everyone straight away (e.g. the multiversion picker in search in v33)
- Some improvements are first made available to upgraders, and later to non-upgraders (e.g. dark mode in L9)
- Some improvements remain available exclusively to upgraders (e.g. Sermon Builder)
You won't always agree with which bucket different improvements are put in, but I don't expect the overall pattern will change with the move to subscription.
And less than 24 hours after being told an announcement is coming very soon regarding the feedback against subscriptions as the only option.... Mark drops that statement... Whether intentional or not, it screams we ARE moving to the subscription model....
Until we are no longer brushed off and have a pronounced announcement letting us know for sure that our feedback was important enough to preserve a traditional ownership model, all these type statements speak otherwise.
Customer service has been told rather than "this fall", tell us an announcement is coming soon... Well, this response doesn't lean towards a positive response for those of us against subscriptions. Hopefully the announcement is otherwise, but there is nothing in any post that appears pro ownership from Faithlife since.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Some improvements are first made available to upgraders, and later to non-upgraders (e.g. dark mode in L9)
Exactly. I'm hoping this change eventually gets released to everyone. Although I'm an upgrader to both L9 and L10.
This is not an AI feature. It should eventually find its way into the standard interface without the need for a subscription.
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Frank Sauer said:
And less than 24 hours after being told an announcement is coming very soon regarding the feedback against subscriptions as the only option.... Mark drops that statement... Whether intentional or not, it screams we ARE moving to the subscription model....
We've been incredibly clear all along that we are moving to a subscription model, and that will not change.
Your question is whether we are moving to a subscription-only model or whether traditional licenses will still be available. Others are also asking whether a fallback license can be included in the subscription. We've got a team actively working through both proposals, and neither is off the table.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
The original dark mode was initially only available to paying L9 customers before becoming more widely available several months later.
This has been a common practice throughout our development
Business model-wise, you're between a rock and a hard place. I can only speak for me, but late access to new features just meant not to bother with them later ... the marketing benefit was lost. And in the meantime a bad taste, as regarding buying from Faithlife. Waiting for large discounts only.
It just seems to me, Faithlife historically writes off a lot of good work by its employees, in favor of poor marketing.
I was reading about Dollar Tree yesterday and wondering about their decision dynamics. Looked like a match. Then, I checked out the complaint about the Morris subscriptions ... wow.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Frank Sauer said:
And less than 24 hours after being told an announcement is coming very soon regarding the feedback against subscriptions as the only option.... Mark drops that statement... Whether intentional or not, it screams we ARE moving to the subscription model....
We've been incredibly clear all along that we are moving to a subscription model, and that will not change.
Your question is whether we are moving to a subscription-only model or whether traditional licenses will still be available. Others are also asking whether a fallback license can be included in the subscription. We've got a team actively working through both proposals, and neither is off the table.
First of all - nothing in the context of my statement applies to your first sentence here.... It has been clear all along and I've never stated otherwise....
What I was, have been and will continue to address/question is the unclear nature of whether it is subscription only....
It's been over a month since the announcement, a lot of frustrated long time and newer users still be given the same old lame excuse of we're gathering feedback. The feedback has been clear! All many of us want is direction and not "wait until fall" to find out excuses.... Is that too much to ask for? If so, let us know, it will speak volumes as to where we stand as customers.
Many of us have posted, chatted with or spoken with both Sales and Customer Service requesting phone calls from someone in position to answer our questions... Yet weeks later, nothing still ...
We were always told our purchases were investments that could be handed down, that our purchased features would always be ours to use - which is not true and based on your own words eventually leads to a forced subscription to use them, if ownership is no longer allowed. So until we actually have assurance that what we were always told, what has always been the marketing hook from Logos is not being tossed away and we stop getting kicked down the road like a proverbial can.... Realize every day of the decision makers ignoring contact requests, posts they don't want to answer and not assuring the MAJORITY of users totally against a subscription only model that we matter -the frustration, lost sales and distaste for the brand will risk growing!
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Please everyone, if I were Logos our insistence on immediate answers for something they told us up front was undecided would make me hesitant to give warning and ask opinions ever again. Logos trusted our response sufficiently to let us in during the decision process. Let's not blow that trust. Express your concerns to your heart's content but please don't insist on answers.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Please everyone, if I were Logos our insistence on immediate answers for something they told us up front was undecided would make me hesitant to give warning and ask opinions ever again. Logos trusted our response sufficiently to let us in during the decision process. Let's not blow that trust. Express your concerns to your heart's content but please don't insist on answers.
Hmmm... Yeah let's worry about whether Logos trusts us.... Not whether we should trust them to honor their word to us as customers through the years....
You can trust them all you want, but don't finger wag those of us that want answers to the questions that arose due to the contradictory statements that have come from Faithlife management. It has been questioned on these forums and ignored and they have left the only representatives we are able to communicate with lost for answers. I've personally requested contact multiple times in relation to the contradictory statements and have been patient for weeks without contact.... I wonder how many of the forum users telling us all to be patient extend the same grace to businesses other than Faithlife, when they fail customers
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