Codexes
Since they contain some of our oldest copies of Christian and classical writings, early Greek and Latin codices—defined for the sake of this project as those created between about the second and the seventh centuries CE—are typically regarded as individually significant. Collectively, nevertheless, these publications also hold the potential to shed light on the evolution and dissemination of codex technology. The Typology of the Early Codex, a ground-breaking work written by Eric G. Turner and released in 1977, was the final attempt at a thorough analysis of early codices. My primary goal is to examine the Codexes of the Gospel of John. How can I start a study of this kind? What codexes does Logos Bible Software use for the Gospel of John?
- Codex Sinaiticus by International Greek New Testament Project (IGNTP)
- Codex Taurinensis by W. O. E. Oesterley
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Christian Alexander said:What codexes does Logos Bible Software use for the Gospel of John?
Zilch as the NA 27 or whatever edtion they used did not start with a base codex as the BHS does.
Christian Alexander said:How can I start a study of this kind?
This is a case where if you have to ask the question, you are not ready to start using original manuscripts. tp make yourself ready ...
- Make a collection of all the codices and fragments that you have of the New Testament.
- Put the collection in your compare text tool with your preferred critical edition in the first position
- Perhaps link to the Apparatus section as a Guide ...
- Study textual differences ...
Or study these resource to expand your access to original manuscript collections:
- Brannan, Rick, ed. Hebrew Bible Manuscript Explorer. Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015.
- Brannan, Rick, ed. New Testament Manuscript Explorer. Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015.
- Brannan, Rick, ed. Septuagint Manuscript Explorer. Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Christian Alexander said:
What codexes does Logos Bible Software use for the Gospel of John?
Logos uses the SBLGNT as its base Greek text. See
- Apparatus for the Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
- "The four primary editions (WH Treg NIV RP) are cited for every variation unit (of which there are 6,928). NA is cited only when it differs from NIV."
- NA = NA28
As such, then Logos does not use codices. If you need codices look to the WH edition.
EDIT: WH were "overly reliant" on Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus according to "modern research".
Dave
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Forget thou not Codex Bezae.
Is there a reason you're limiting to "Codex" in title? Because Text of the Earliest Greek NT Manuscripts has several papyri (originally codices) with the text of John (e.g. P66) as well.
Rick Brannan | Bluesky: rickbrannan.com
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MJ. Smith said:
Or study these resource to expand your original manuscript collections:
- Brannan, Rick, ed. Hebrew Bible Manuscript Explorer. Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015.
- Brannan, Rick, ed. New Testament Manuscript Explorer. Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015.
- Brannan, Rick, ed. Septuagint Manuscript Explorer. Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015.
Curious how studying those could help someone expand their original manuscript collections. There is no link in the manuscript explorers to the store to buy manuscripts you are missing.
NB - I'm not someone who wants to study manuscripts, I just happened to notice that there was no way for someone who wanted to to do that.
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Rosie Perera said:
Curious how studying those could help someone expand their original manuscript collections.
They include links to photos of the manuscripts - clear enough to be of use to scholars. I have edited my post to make that clearer.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Rosie Perera said:
Curious how studying those could help someone expand their original manuscript collections.
Not sure about "expand" but one could use the NT Manuscript Explorer to filter manuscripts down to gospels of a particular century (2, 3, or 4 for 'early') and then work the list to determine manuscripts for John (on the assumption that most early papyri manuscripts are codices from fragments, not rolls).
As MJ mentioned, there are many with photos online (esp. if you can get an NTVMR account, which you basically just need to ask for).
Rick Brannan | Bluesky: rickbrannan.com
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Rick Brannan said:
Forget thou not Codex Bezae.
Oddly enough, an author, yesterday, noted a truly bizaare passage in Bezae. I'm certainly no 'scholar' but it was hard to believe ... had to check. Not advocating Accordance, but I do like their graphics, and codices. I fully recognize the web, as a source, is better. But I remain amazed, in my lifetime, I can sit at a campsite, and examine ancient discoveries almost lost. How their hands didn't shake!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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OK thanks everyone. That thought to use the NT Manuscript Explorer to filter manuscripts down to gospels is very helpful Rick B. That is a great analogy DMB. I thought that a codex and text were synonymous. The conclusion of the Gospel of John is one of the traditional New Testament scholars' favorite "problems." This is what I am studying. The gospel seems to have two endings, to put it simply. John 21:25 marks the conclusion of the gospel copies that have survived in uninterrupted text. An end title typically appears after this text in manuscripts that preserve it, such as the Codex Alexandrinus. John's chapter 20, which likewise comes to an abrupt finish akin to a book's end, is followed by chapter 21. As John Ashton put it, the final lines of chapter 20 read like a summary and a "resounding conclusion": (NRSV, John 20:30–31). Why is that the case? I see that John 21:1 is obviously a new unit of text, and that early Christian manuscripts often indicate sense units by extra space. I understand sense units from this study https://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/sense-unit-divisions-in-ancient-nt-manuscripts-artifacts-of-ancient-readers/ What is the possibility that the larger lower margin is such an indication? How can I check other places in P66 where major sense units appear as to how the copyist handled them?
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Alternately, with the "Manuscripts of the Greek New Testament" resource, you could run an in-resource search for, say, bible:"John 21" and work through that list (note the "Sentence" level for search hits, which for English could change to paragraph or article):
Rick Brannan | Bluesky: rickbrannan.com
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