Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H

Veli Voipio

I am looking for a new laptop, and came across with this new processor: Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H. It also contains a "NPU", "neural processing unit". Now would that provide an advantage with various AI applications in the future Logos versions?

GaoLu

Do any Logos software processes involve onboard AI?  None that I know. Yet.

If not, they soon may.  

What I do suspect is that Win 12 or so will require NPU-capable devices.  And then Logos will require it.  Old software won't work anymore.  Our current non-NPU devices will become obsolete.  How soon?  2-3 years? 

John

Veli Voipio said:

would that provide an advantage with various AI applications in the future Logos versions?

The future always becomes more clear once you get there [H]

A big question mark is whether Windows 11 will be a success. People don't like it, while at the same time it is forcing them to buy new computers. There is already talk of Windows 12.

Right now Intel's future is also a big question mark, now that Apple and now Microsoft are moving away from Intel processors. One big advantage Intel has is that a lot of people and businesses still run old software. Offsetting that advantage is that both Apple and Microsoft now have Intel x86-64 emulation built-in.

I recently used VMWARE Fusion to virtually install a pre-release version of Windows 11 ARM on an Apple Macbook Air. I installed a bunch of my old Windows software just to see if it would run. Everything installed and ran perfectly, including one of my ancient Bibleworks versions that ran flawlessly on the Apple M2 machine.

Windows 11 ARM running x86 Bibleworks in a virtual machine on Apple Silicon.

The reason for this is because Windows 11 ARM has built-in x86 emulation to run older Windows programs. Apple did it first of course, with their Rosetta emulation layer. But Rosetta does not emulate Windows.

I should also mention that I am able to run my old Bibleworks software (and version 10 which I have never liked as much) on the Apple chip without virtualization of Windows. A free gift from the Linux community called WineHQ allows this to happen on the Apple Silicon Mac by emulating Windows without using a virtual Windows machine.

The free WineHQ (from Linux) installed on M2 Macbook running x86 Bibleworks. (Using Rosetta)

I know none of this was what your question was about, but I'm trying to show that Intel chips might not be the popular option in the future.

All of Microsoft's AI strategy so far is based on ARM processors. Intel and AMD will both likely getting approved, but nobody knows yet.

I have no inside information about Logos, but I'm guessing they will eventually support Windows ARM, just as they now support both Intel and M1 MacOS. How important is AI to you? Does that laptop come with Microsoft Co-pilot already installed?

If AI is important to you, keep in mind that Logos does not have a clear course into the future yet either. Presently they are experimenting with uploading Logos search results to a third party and returning summary's or outlines ( i have not even tried it yet ).

Logos is believing it can charge a monthly subscription fee to do this. And maybe they can. But take note that Microsofts Co-pilot and Apples "Apple Intelligence" will be doing the same thing ... for FREE.

My advice would be to invest in a platform that has the best strategy, and right now that is Apple. But everyone has different expectations and needs. Switching from Windows to MacOS is not easy, it requires relearning many things. On the other hand, Windows 11 requires relearning things too, if you are moving from Windows 10 [H].

The good news is that Logos is supporting all of the major platforms and doing it well. I believe the AI question will work itself out in the long run through the operating system. Apple will have Siri built into everything. And Microsoft will have Co-pilot. Both will access OpenAI (or something similar) in some way, and no doubt will have API's for developers to use for these things. And it will be free.

Will Logos opt out of the (not yet existing) built-in AI features of Windows and MacOS (and iOS on the mobile app)? Will they use each system, even though they are different on each platform? Will the .NET platform that Logos uses act as a platform neutral translation layer? Or will Logos focus on working directly with OpenAI (or similar) third party servers?

MacOS 18 (Sequoia) will be adding a lot of AI features this fall. How will Logos respond to this? The best answer seems to be "wait and see".

Hope you are happy with whatever decision you make [:)]

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1301658#Comment_1301658

Thanks a lot for all the answers!

I've bought a Dell XPS 16 (9640) - 16" (Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H, OLED, 1TB, 4060, and NPU) to replace my seven years old laptop. Logos works well.

(https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D13XTRY8/ref=twister_B0CQNVYXQV?_encoding=UTF8&th=1 is similar, for the US market)

This computer is an overkill (I like that word [:D]) for Logos but I use it also for electromagnetic simulation and 3D graphics.

It has a "Copilot key" to the Microsoft AI server, as I understand it.

My question: Noah mount jebel

Copilot answer:
Mount Judi, also known as Cudi Dağı in Turkish, Al-Jūdiyy in Arabic, Ջուդի լեռը in Armenian, and Çiyayê Cûdî in Kurdish, is a mountain located in Turkey’s Şırnak Province. Let me share some fascinating details about this historical site:

Noah’s Ark Connection:
In antiquity, Mount Judi was believed to be the apobaterion or “Place of Descent” where Noah’s Ark came to rest after the Great Flood.
Early Christian and Islamic traditions associate this mountain with the Ark’s landing site, a legend also found in the Quran (Quran 11:44).
The identification of biblical Ararat with Mount Judi persisted in Syriac and Armenian traditions during Late Antiquity.
Only in the Middle Ages did the focus shift to another mountain, which became known as Mount Ararat1.
Geographical Location:
Mount Judi is situated near the villages of Derebaşı and Boyunyaka in Şırnak Province.
Its coordinates are approximately 37°22’28.21" N latitude and 42°28’16.03" E longitude.
The mountain lies northeast of the town of Cizre, close to the headwaters of the Tigris River and near the modern borders of Syria and Iraq1.
Etymology and Historical Context:
The Syriac word Gudo (ܓܘܕܐ), meaning “Mounds” or “Elevations,” likely gave rise to the Arabic word al-Jūdiyy.
The origin of the name “Judi” remains somewhat unclear, but it has been associated with the Ark’s descent.
According to Arab historian Al-Masudi, the Ark’s resting spot was visible in his time, approximately 32 miles (51 km) from the Tigris1.
In summary, Mount Judi holds a significant place in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic narrative, connecting it to the story of Noah and the Great Flood. Its historical and geographical context adds to its mystique and enduring fascination

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I also made other tests. The answer to the question "who is Veli Voipio" included a link to a Finnish atheist group [:$]. Well, I think myself as a Lutheran pietist, although using American Evangelical Bible interpretation with some of my own speculations.

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1304288#Comment_1304288

Sweet!  

Note to self: Thou shalt not covet.  Thou shalt not covet.  Thou shalt not covet.  [:)]

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1304288#Comment_1304288

Veli Voipio said:

I've bought a Dell XPS 16 (9640) - 16" (Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 Processor 155H, OLED, 1TB, 4060, and NPU) to replace my seven years old laptop. Logos works well.

What is your impression so far?

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1306890#Comment_1306890

GaoLu said:

What is your impression so far?

Better experience than I had expected! Generally it works smoothly. Logos starts quickly and indexing is fast. There were some pictures in Carta that showed some jerkiness when opening a new page. 

Currently I am using this laptop in the summer log cabin, where the mobile 4G network is marginal: from 1Mbit/s to 10 Mbit/s. Logos seems to work quite well, but watching videos (currently watching Bock's NT 211) is slow - I mean the streaming is extremely slow. Sometimes it is best to visit the ground floor and make some coffee while loading even a short lecture. 

I have some very complex layouts and they load quickly! But closing a complex layout takes time (the same problem as with the desktop in the city). I hope Logos team will fix that some day.

The screen is 3840 x 2400 and 16.3 inches, so the pixels are small. The screen resolution is scalable, but I like the possibility to show maps and drawings as an overview with detail, with reading glasses on. The Oled screen seems to attract wasps while working in the log cabin attic. 

Adobe software, and 3D drawing software, and Matlab code work smoothly. When installing Microsoft software the MS software tries to hijack the browser and perhaps some other functions. I haven't tested games yet.

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1306937#Comment_1306937

Just some additional remarks:

I love the touchpad in this Dell XPS 16 (9640), called seamless glass touchpad.

Keyboard is ok, may be matter of taste.

I like the touch screen in this model. Mostly using it to navigate quickly or for scaling pictures and maps. In Logos some moving and selection works. I hope Logos will add gestures to the desktop version some day. Currently some moving and selection works.