a question from an Accordance User
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Shane Rice said:
I found these videos extremely helpful to me since Logos is a bit different than most Bible software setups.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017433892-Logos-10-Basic-Bible-Study-Series
Thanks for the link, Shane! [:)]
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One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination. I've played around with it a little, and it seems to be very accurate.
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Mark Allison said:
One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination. I've played around with it a little, and it seems to be very accurate.
You must have some "Level" that I don't have. I can't do that in my Factbook that I know of...??? Are you running the beta version??
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
You must have some "Level" that I don't have. I can't do that in my Factbook that I know of...??? Are you running the beta version??
I know you have to be paying for the subscription that gives you access to AI features, but perhaps a more informed user can let us know if more than that is required.
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Mark Allison said:xnman said:
You must have some "Level" that I don't have. I can't do that in my Factbook that I know of...??? Are you running the beta version??
I know you have to be paying for the subscription that gives you access to AI features, but perhaps a more informed user can let us know if more than that is required.
It was recently added to Factbook and as far as I know is only available with early access at this point. The same sorting has been available in the commentary section of the passage guide for a while and does not require the early access subscription.
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John Fidel said:
The same sorting has been available in the commentary section of the passage guide for a while and does not require the early access subscription.
That's very cool! Never noticed that. But then again, I've only been using Logos for a few weeks now. :-)
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I believe this can be done in passage guide and it is not an AI feature. My favourite is era. I love seeing the ways a scripture has been interpreted over history. In order to get this benefit, you have to have a broad range of resources. (some call this clutter) However it is a regular part of my work flow. Presently in my library I need more medieval resources.
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BTW - the Galaxie journal update dropped yesterday. Time to tag and rate!
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Mark Allison said:
That's very cool! Never noticed that. But then again, I've only been using Logos for a few weeks now. :-)
But you are using the beta update channel, which means you will oscillate between the current release and the next beta i.e. you recently jumped from v35 to v36 beta. You need to be aware that you will not receive Support whilst you are on a beta version.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
ou need to be aware that you will not receive Support whilst you are on a beta version.
That's good to know. Thanks Dave!
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Dave Hooton said:Mark Allison said:
That's very cool! Never noticed that. But then again, I've only been using Logos for a few weeks now. :-)
But you are using the beta update channel, which means you will oscillate between the current release and the next beta i.e. you recently jumped from v35 to v36 beta. You need to be aware that you will not receive Support whilst you are on a beta version.
Thanks Dave for clearing it all up for me. I do have Early Access but my Factbook does not have the features Mark's had. I figured it must be the Beta he is using... which means, I'll get it when it is released to a stable version. Cool!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I think this is a wonderful challenge. The software is constantly being updated and rolling new features, so we need to be clear on what we are using. This is so much better than a static programme that does not change for months, or even years at a time. Rock and roll!
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Mark Allison said:
One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination.
Wow, when I read this, it really scared me. I thought you had said you liked "the ability to filter Facebook commentary sets by denomination." [:|] However, I finally figured out you said "Factbook" which is much better and less creepy. [:)] Anyway, after I read it correctly, I tried to replicate your screenshot and can confirm I can't.
John Fidel said:The same sorting has been available in the commentary section of the passage guide for a while and does not require the early access subscription.
Hi John,
After I figured out Mark's thing was AI, I tried to look for sorting here, but I don't even see the word "commentaries" in the Facebook section. How can I add it to the Factbook? (I see dictionaries, but not commentaries).
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Kristin said:Mark Allison said:
One of my favorite AI features in Logos is the ability to filter Factbook commentary sets by denomination.
Wow, when I read this, it really scared me. I thought you had said you liked "the ability to filter Facebook commentary sets by denomination."
However, I finally figured out you said "Factbook" which is much better and less creepy. 
I read it that way the first time also, and it made me roll my eyes. Facebook commentaries as part of Biblical research? How did we ever get to here?!! [:(]
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Kristin said:
After I figured out Mark's thing was AI, I tried to look for sorting here, but I don't even see the word "commentaries" in the Facebook section. How can I add it to the Factbook?
Factbook is currently changing at a rapid pace. They are essentially pulling features from other areas and packing them all into one place, which makes sense, especially when you consider the need to create a more uniform experience between different platforms. Commentaries in the Factbook section is a brand new feature. This means that you won't have access to it, as the full feature set of Logos 10 was released two years ago. If you remain committed to avoiding the subscription, I'm afraid you'll have to become comfortable with the features that you currently have access to, as current and future feature releases will only be on subscription. You do have access to the commentary sections, for example in the passage guide. But you will not have access to them in the Factbook section.
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I think I'm gonna like it, bring it on!! I have been one that didn't see the need to use Factbook.... but looks like I'm a going too! Let'er rip! [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Commentaries in the Factbook section is a brand new feature. This means that you won't have access to it, as the full feature set of Logos 10 was released two years ago. If you remain committed to avoiding the subscription, I'm afraid you'll have to become comfortable with the features that you currently have access to, as current and future feature releases will only be on subscription.
Oh, ok. [:)] You are correct about my thoughts about subscriptions, so thank you for clarifying.
Aaron Hamilton said:You do have access to the commentary sections, for example in the passage guide.
Could you please clarify this? I am not sure how to get to the "passage guide."
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Kristin said:
Could you please clarify this? I am not sure how to get to the "passage guide.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016462872-Passage-Guide will help with this
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From the toolbar, click on the Guides/Workflows icon, then check for the Passage Guide icon among the most common used, or scroll down to the Guides subgroup and expand to see all guides available. There are some really useful guides! Think of them as reconstructed work spaces for specific tasks.
--Solly
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Graham was faster than I was, and provided the link I struggled to find.
. Thanks, Graham!--Solly the slow
Joseph F. Sollenberger, Jr.
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Graham Criddle said:
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016462872-Passage-Guide will help with this
Joseph Sollenberger said:From the toolbar, click on the Guides/Workflows icon, then check for the Passage Guide icon among the most common used, or scroll down to the Guides subgroup and expand to see all guides available. There are some really useful guides! Think of them as reconstructed work spaces for specific tasks.
Thank you, Graham and Solly! [:)]
On another note, I had been messing around on Accordance looking for instances of double negatives in the Gk NT. I was able to do this with a construct search of a neg particle within a neg particle.
Is there a sort of Logos equivalent to find this info?
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Kristin said:
I had been messing around on Accordance looking for instances of double negatives in the Gk NT
I just asked this question for you in the General forum.
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Mark Allison said:
I just asked this question for you in the General forum.
Thank you. [:)] I just followed your thread.
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Mark Allison said:
I just asked this question for you in the General forum.
I wish I could tag people on this forum like the Accordance forum, but this is to Mark and Graham who answered the question. I wanted to ask it here since it isn't really a "Logos" question, I don't think.
When I did the morph.g:TN WITHIN 1 WORDS morph.g:TN formula it produced 412 hits in 93 verses, while the Accordance Construct produces 100 hits in 91 verses.On the surface I like the Accordance Construct a lot better since it is more straightforward. I don't even mean familiarity, but the words are actually spelled out. A negative particle, for example, is called "negative particle," while on Logos it is called "morph.g.TN". However, I am more interested in which is more accurate.
On Accordance I would create a reference list and compare the two lists, but I am not sure how to do it here. Any ideas how to find the discrepancies?0 -
Kristin said:
I wish I could tag people on this forum like the Accordance forum
Many are looking forward to the new forum. It has been promised "later this year" for awhile now. The timeframe is shrinking if they are to keep to the schedule...
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Kristin said:
On the surface I like the Accordance Construct a lot better since it is more straightforward. I don't even mean familiarity, but the words are actually spelled out. A negative particle, for example, is called "negative particle," while on Logos it is called "morph.g.TN". However, I am more interested in which is more accurate.
It may be that they are both accurate but reporting different things - and I don't know anything about how Accordance works so may be missing something obvious.
Logos counts each occurrence of a search term so Hebrews 13:5, for example, contributes five hits - and one of them is from a triple negative.
What does Accordance return for that verse?
Kristin said:On Accordance I would create a reference list and compare the two lists, but I am not sure how to do it here. Any ideas how to find the discrepancies?
This sounds similar to creating a Passage List and comparing them - details of this are in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016747311-Passage-List
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Graham Criddle said:
It may be that they are both accurate but reporting different things - and I don't know anything about how Accordance works so may be missing something obvious.
Logos counts each occurrence of a search term so Hebrews 13:5, for example, contributes five hits - and one of them is from a triple negative.
Hi Graham,
Thank you for the screenshot. I am now actually kind of concerned. Accordance and Logos both record each hit, so given your Hebrews example, I confined the search to Hebrews, and Accordance says there are 5 hits in these 4 verses. HOWEVER, Heb 13:5 is NOT a triple neg since it is disregarding ουδε. I will attach a screenshot.
Mark, any ideas why Accordance is ignoring this?Actually.... the more I think about it.... maybe it is because the Accordance construct is a neg particle and neg particle, and I would need a third column for it? I bet that would find it, but would disregard the rest.... Well, I just tried it and can't figure it out. It is something off with my construct. I guess I will see if Mark has an idea.
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Hi Kristin
Kristin said:I will attach a screenshot.
Your screenshot is interesting - it suggests, at least to me, that this construct in Accordance is more akin to a Morph Query in Logos - which does use more natural English to define search terms. But it does seen to handle the triple negative case as below
Guidance on setting up morph queries is at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016747411-Morph-Query
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Kristin said:
any ideas why Accordance is ignoring this?
Accordance has oude tagged as a conjunction, not a particle, so it doesn't meet the search criteria.
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