a question from an Accordance User
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MJ. Smith said:
That is a Bible tab within a Search tab/panel. The ability to change the format is just below the book title in the results passages-aligned-grid-analysis-fuzzy and at the far right add version.
I'm sorry, but I can't find anything about changing formats, regardless of the tab I am in. Is someone able to provide a screenshot?
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I'm not sure I see the problem, actually. If I run a search in a search tab, the results are still there if i click on a different tab (eg a text tab, passage guide, etc) and then back. If I click on the sub-tabs within the search, eg all vs bible vs morph vs docs, then yes the search clears but that makes sense since you just told it you want to run a different kind of search. Am I missing something?
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Kristin said:
I'm sorry, but I can't find anything about changing formats, regardless of the tab I am in. Is someone able to provide a screenshot?
Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss.)
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Jonathan Huber said:
Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss
Thank you very much, Jonathan! [:)] Your screenshots were helpful and I finally found it.
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Mark Allison said:
I don't want to wax on about 'the old days', because we need to look forward. However, it is fun to see energy again... both for Logos and for Accordance. This is something that has been missing for a long time.
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Friends, sorry if I'm in the wrong forum. If possible, I'd like to print out an entire notebook. I only found the option to print note by note. If there is no option to print the entire notebook, how can I indicate this as a development enhancement request?
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Friends, sorry if I'm in the wrong forum.
You needed to start a new thread for your query, rather than disrupt a thread on a different matter.
If possible, I'd like to print out an entire notebook. I only found the option to print note by note. If there is no option to print the entire notebook, how can I indicate this as a development enhancement request?
Make a request at Faithlife Feedback - Desktop
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Jonathan Huber said:
Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss.)
One of the challenges of Logos is that they endeavour to keep the UI simple. Yet there is a lot buried in context pop up menus and UI features like 'three dots', etc.
I think the new Dynamic Resource Toolbar in beta - is an attempt to start to address some of this. I am hopeful in Logos 11 we will see other parts of the UI evolve similarly.
Until then, it is down to watching videos and asking questions. Perhaps this will always be the case. You need to decide which tools in this Swiss Army knife you are going to use the most and then focus on mastering them.
So in my case, tools for exegetical and language studies are where I focus a lot of my exploration. Tools like the Counselling Guide and Sermon Editor, I never open. This is ok. I have a Swiss Army knife that I have a few tools I never open, but it is nice to know they are there if I need them.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:Jonathan Huber said:
Run your search. Then 1) hit the 3 dots thing and 2) save as passage list (see first ss), then 3) change format of passage list (see second ss.)
One of the challenges of Logos is that they endeavour to keep the UI simple. Yet there is a lot buried in context pop up menus and UI features like 'three dots', etc.
I think the new Dynamic Resource Toolbar in beta - is an attempt to start to address some of this. I am hopeful in Logos 11 we will see other parts of the UI evolve similarly.
Until then, it is down to watching videos and asking questions. Perhaps this will always be the case. You need to decide which tools in this Swiss Army knife you are going to use the most and then focus on mastering them.
So in my case, tools for exegetical and language studies are where I focus a lot of my exploration. Tools like the Counselling Guide and Sermon Editor, I never open. This is ok. I have a Swiss Army knife that I have a few tools I never open, but it is nice to know they are there if I need them.
All powerful software faces the challenge of presenting a good UI. That’s to be expected. Some of us just haven’t learned the Logos UI yet.
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I'm finally starting to enjoy using Logos. Up till now, it's been more of a frustration than a joy as I learn how to use it. At this point though, I feel comfortable using Logos with most of my normal workflows.
I was diving into Proverbs during my daily devotional time (using a Logos reading plan), and without thinking about it I was able to check out Hebrew words in BDB (I don't have HALOT yet), use the Factbook to take a deep dive into "Abaddon," and add notes at points of interest. I never accidentally brought up a Search tab, or had to switch to Accordance to do something I couldn't figure out in Logos.0 -
The struggle is real!
I think the challenge is, you have to know your resources and the software well enough to create your own workflows. You are a legend in the Bible Software community, so the resources and workflow part will be easy. The challenge will be leveraging this software and figuring out how Logos' philosophy is different. It would be good over time for you to post your own observations of what you learned the hard way and what came easy.
Logos Bible Software is a bit like using Obsidian or LogSeq for personal knowledge management. The power is in blank canvass and multiple configurable tools. This is its greatest nemesis as well. You really have to spend a fair bit of time on a regular basis revisiting how you want to study and research, then adjust your workflows to the strengths of the platofrm to make it happen. Exciting to roam and create, but frustrating all at the same time!
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Kristin said:
That is not the case for me. On my end, if I do a search, I get my results. Then if I leave the tab and come back, that window of tips shows up and that is all I see. I have to press enter AGAIN for it to run the search AGAIN just to get rid of that box.
These (in red) are not "search tabs". They let you specify the "kind" of search that is running within the current tab. If you change the kind, it clears the search results and you have to start over (which would, understandably, be frustrating).
These (in red) are what Logos calls Search tabs. Open as many of these as you want (or that your computer/monitor can show comfortably). Switching between these tabs won't clear your previous Search results. To open a new one, click the "Search" icon on the main Logos toolbar, or right-click a "Search" tab title and click "Duplicate", or press Cmd+Shift+N when you're in an existing Search tab.0 -
Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
These (in red) are not "search tabs". They let you specify the "kind" of search that is running within the current tab. If you change the kind, it clears the search results and you have to start over (which would, understandably, be frustrating).
Hi Bradley,
Wow, thank you so much!! [:)] Your two screenshots are extremely helpful and they help the whole layout finally make an ounce of sense. Thank you!
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Mark Allison said:
I'm finally starting to enjoy using Logos. Up till now, it's been more of a frustration than a joy as I learn how to use it. At this point though, I feel comfortable using Logos with most of my normal workflows.
Hi Mark,
That is great to hear. [:)] For me I am still at the "it's been more of a frustration" phase. Some days I feel like maybe I could get used to it, and then some days I feel like there is no scenario where I could routinely use it. This has previously primarily been from the total lack of a plain txt "User Bible." I can see the function of a Personal Bible, but it isn't usable for a User Bible replacement.
However, I think I might have found a more serious issue of the inability to re-name tabs. Right now these tabs I have open are just from failed attempts of learning the program. However, as you know, this is a very common Accordance layout for me, and the only way I can have 50 tabs open in Accordance is because they are all named by me.
With that as a preface, given that you are finding Logos to be working for you, how do you handle the tabs? Or do you feel like it only works for devotional / pastoral needs and is not a realistic program for academics?
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Kristin said:
With that as a preface, given that you are finding Logos to be working for you, how do you handle the tabs? Or do you feel like it only works for devotional / pastoral needs and is not a realistic program for academics?
The inability to rename tabs is a big issue. I'm hoping Logos will recognize that it's something Accordance users desperately need. I've mentioned it here:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224298.aspx0 -
Kristin said:
With that as a preface, given that you are finding Logos to be working for you, how do you handle the tabs? Or do you feel like it only works for devotional / pastoral needs and is not a realistic program for academics?
I commented on another thread... it is a small thing, but it tab management on Logos is not as efficient as it could be. Renaming tabs would be very useful. At least on MacOS, standard operating system conventions are not followed as well.
I believe even with this, you can adapt and I have, but it is an unnecessary piece of friction.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I commented on another thread... it is a small thing, but it tab management on Logos is not as efficient as it could be. Renaming tabs would be very useful.
For me the lack of re-naming tabs is a serious enough issue that it prevents serious work.
Donovan R. Palmer said:At least on MacOS, standard operating system conventions are not followed as well.
Ya, basic functions are missing, like "right click." If I right click it wants me to "Send to Proclaim" ??? There isn't even an explanation of what this is. Maybe it is common for pastors, but I'm an academic and I just wanted to right click to copy my word.
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Kristin said:
Ya, basic functions are missing, like "right click." If I right click it wants me to "Send to Proclaim" ???
Right-click functionality in a Bible (and other books) provides really powerful features - so please post a screenshot where you are just seeing the Send to Proclaim option (it is an option in some cases but there should be a lot more available as well)
Kristin said:There isn't even an explanation of what this is.
Proclaim is presentation software provided by Faithlife to be used in projecting songs, videos, Bible verses, other content in church services and elsewhere.
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Kristin said:
For me the lack of re-naming tabs is a serious enough issue that it prevents serious work. .
You could suggest in Logos' Feedbear. But chances are excellent, it'd be a subscription feature (which you don't like).
The usual lots-of-tabs management strategies:
- To the right of a search argument, is a heart, which opens renameable favorites. They can also be placed in namable folders and sub-folders.
- Frequent repeatable actions can be assigned to 10 hotkeys (in the same panel as favorites)
- Layouts are a final desperation move. I keep my favorite searches in separate in-sequence tabs in my layout. Then, I keep an extra default search tab (setting: 'Send Searches Here')
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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If you're a Mac user, you can modify any of the shortcuts that appear in the Logos menubar (there aren't many). I've modified the shortcuts so that cmd-F brings up Factbook and cmd-S brings up search.
Go to your System Preferences and select "Keyboard". In the Keyboard menu select "App Shortcuts"
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DMB said:
But chances are excellent, it'd be a subscription feature (which you don't like).
Come on, without knowing the actual code, do you really have the information necessary to make this statement? My suspicion, and it is only that, is that it would add cost to make it a subscription feature ... cost that there is absolutely no incentive to incur. I need your cynicism supporting me on the "don't use what you don't understand" Logos-flavored grammatical coding threads.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Graham Criddle said:
Right-click functionality in a Bible (and other books) provides really powerful features - so please post a screenshot where you are just seeing the Send to Proclaim option (it is an option in some cases but there should be a lot more available as well)
Hi Graham,
I tried responding to this but the post button did nothing. So I decided to try again, and I hope this isn't posted twice.
Anyway, here is a screenshot of right clicking. Thank you for clarifying Proclaim.
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Mark Allison said:
Go to your System Preferences and select "Keyboard". In the Keyboard menu select "App Shortcuts"
Hi Mark,
My system settings look nothing like that, and I can't find an App Shortcut under Keyboard. I wonder if this was something changed with the latest OS? I'm still on Ventura.
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Kristin said:
My system settings look nothing like that, and I can't find an App Shortcut under Keyboard. I wonder if this was something changed with the latest OS? I'm still on Ventura.
This has been a feature of the MacOS for at least 10 years. Want to send me a screenshot of your Mac System Settings? (You can also try searching for "Keyboard" in your system settings).
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DMB said:
To the right of a search argument, is a heart, which opens renameable favorites.
HI MDB,
Thanks for letting me know. I don't see a heart, but a star... but it sort of seems the same leading to favorites. The fundamental issue though, is that they aren't favorites, but tabs I am working on which change frequently. In Accordance, for example, it is very rare for me to save a workspace. I appreciate hearing that favorites can be renamed though. That is good to know.
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Mark Allison said:
This has been a feature of the MacOS for at least 10 years.
Oh. [:$]
Mark Allison said:Want to send me a screenshot of your Mac System Settings? (You can also try searching for "Keyboard" in your system settings
Ok, thanks. I will send you an email in a few minutes.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
BTW - the Galaxie journal update dropped yesterday. Time to tag and rate!
What's the best way to get the journals? I see that Galaxie is available as a subscription, which might actually be cheaper than buying the whole thing (accounting for having to purchase new volumes periodically.) Any recommendations on that?
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Kristin said:
I'm an academic and I just wanted to right click to copy my word.
I'm a bit confused... Copy is an option in your screenshot. Is it not working? Alternatively, you might not even need the menu; just select the text and hit Cmd+C like you would in any other program.
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Mark Allison said:
I'm finally starting to enjoy using Logos. Up till now, it's been more of a frustration than a joy as I learn how to use it. At this point though, I feel comfortable using Logos with most of my normal workflows.
I was diving into Proverbs during my daily devotional time (using a Logos reading plan), and without thinking about it I was able to check out Hebrew words in BDB (I don't have HALOT yet), use the Factbook to take a deep dive into "Abaddon," and add notes at points of interest. I never accidentally brought up a Search tab, or had to switch to Accordance to do something I couldn't figure out in Logos.Lovely! I'm starting to get there too. Most of my daily use currently could be done in either program, but I'm REALLY liking the tagging that enables Factbook and different kinds of searches (eg speaker:Paul). That's not possible elsewhere.
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Jonathan Huber said:
I'm REALLY liking the tagging that enables Factbook and different kinds of searches (eg speaker:Paul). That's not possible elsewhere.
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