a question from an Accordance User
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Kristin said:
That said, the more I use Logos, the more useful I am finding it, especially for reading non-biblical works which aren't available in Accordance.
One other bit of advice that I give to people learning Logos. Spend some time memorising keyboard commands. The more you can keep your hands on the keyboard, the faster you can move around. It takes a bit of work up front to memorise them, but it pays off in the long run. (i.e MacOS 'Command' 'Option' 'L' is a launch pad for so many things.)
I would love to see more keyboard commands or the ability to create your own keyboard commands brought to Logos, but I would suggest that for each user, there are at least 6 to 12 commands that will speed up your specific use case workflows.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
Make sure that you make good use of collections and tagging. The new Smart Search is also very useful for natural language enquiries, which can then be honed down into precise searches
Hi Donovan,
Thank you for the tip about collections. I will keep that in mind. [:)] By Smart Search, you are referring to the Logos store. Correct?
DAL said:Use it as much as you can because you never know when Accordance might just go out of business. Hopefully they won't! But if you can manage to learn Logos and master it, you won't even need Accordance anymore.
I unfortunately agree with you, DAL. [U] I love Accordance and hope it is around for the rest of my life, but I can also see that it would be prudent to get Logos just in case. I also agree with you about the importance of learning Logos well. It is for sure time consuming to learn, but it seems well worth it. So I am trying to make a point to use it whenever I am not doing intensive work.
One thing that I have had some confusion about.... if I save a layout, then I make changes, delete something, add something etc, then I close the layout, the next time I open it, it will revert back to the SAVED version, and if I want to change how the layout opens, I would need to save it as a new layout. Is this correct? It appears to be the case but I am not sure.It occurred to me that maybe I should create a "test" layout and use it just to poke at things to see if anything I do makes Logos bite back or not.
Donovan R. Palmer said:One other bit of advice that I give to people learning Logos. Spend some time memorising keyboard commands. The more you can keep your hands on the keyboard, the faster you can move around.
Hi Donovan,
Thanks for the tip, and I agree that is great advice. I for sure type without ever looking at the keyboard, and I do have Mac specific commands memorized as well. So I agree that is helpful (and sort of critical) to not need to look at the keyboard.
Donovan R. Palmer said:I would love to see more keyboard commands or the ability to create your own keyboard commands brought to Logos, but I would suggest that for each user, there are at least 6 to 12 commands that will speed up your specific use case workflows.
Concerning commands, really what I need with this is just for Logos to not write over my Mac keyboard shortcuts. It is also sort of frustrating when I need Alex to speak something and I try to use my Mac key and Logos ignores it. (Btw, I know the "read aloud" option, but it is just not sufficient as a workaround for multiple reasons. Only speaking English is a huge issue, but not the only issue).
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Kristin said:
By Smart Search, you are referring to the Logos store. Correct?
The Smart Search is the AI-assisted search available in All and Book searches.
Kristin said:I would need to save it as a new layout. Is this correct?
You can save it without creating a new layout. If you don't save it, any changes are lost; if you save as current which if the usual case for me, any changes are saved.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
One thing that I have had some confusion about.... if I save a layout, then I make changes, delete something, add something etc, then I close the layout, the next time I open it, it will revert back to the SAVED version, and if I want to change how the layout opens, I would need to save it as a new layout. Is this correct? It appears to be the case but I am not sure.
I recommend you experiment.
1. Go to settings, and on the 3rd item 'At Startup Open To', play with 'Most recent layout - local'. It loads in whatever you had when you shut down previously. This doesn't mean a 'saved' layout ... just where you left off.
2. Or, in that settings list, select a saved layout (bottom of the list choices). But any layout changes after you saved a layout, won't appear..
3. And during your work, 'saving' your layout isn't your only choice. The app periodically saves snap shots. And also saves a your layout when you shut down. That's heaven sent, when you make a mistake and need to go back ... even 2 weeks ago.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I recommend you experiment.
1. Go to settings,... 3. And during your work, 'saving' your layout isn't your only choice. The app periodically saves snap shots. And also saves a your layout when you shut down. That's heaven sent, when you make a mistake and need to go back ... even 2 weeks ago.
Hi DMB,
Thank you for the idea, and I think you are right about experimenting. (Which provoked my idea of a test layout). I agree the snapshots are helpful. Accordance has this too, it is just called an "Autosaved Session" and can be really useful.
Speaking of experimenting, I was watching a Heiser video where he was talking about the short version of God's name and was using Logos. In the video, for reasons I truly don't know, he decided to find all instances of this short form in the Hebrew by starting in English. [:^)] This produced 26 results. I then stopped the video and went to Accordance, and obviously there are 49 hits.I ran the search myself in Logos and also produced 26 results. I then used the Hebrew in Logos which also produced 49 hits. While a lot of questions could be asked about why he would start with an English text, it did leave me wondering, why is there a number discrepancy between the English and Hebrew? Is it just an error?
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Kristin said:
why is there a number discrepancy between the English and Hebrew? Is it just an error?
No, one wouldn't expect them to match. Translation should never be based on the word only. Rather it reflects the meaning of the text and the grammatical requirements of each language for readability.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi MJ,
I agree completely that starting with the English is always a bad idea (as I expressed above). That said, what is the 26 supposed to be representing if not the Hebrew behind it? I thought that is what "lemma.h:יָהּ" meant.
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Kristin said:DMB said:
I recommend you experiment.
1. Go to settings,... 3. And during your work, 'saving' your layout isn't your only choice. The app periodically saves snap shots. And also saves a your layout when you shut down. That's heaven sent, when you make a mistake and need to go back ... even 2 weeks ago.
Hi DMB,
Thank you for the idea, and I think you are right about experimenting.
Kristin,
I think it is time you moved away from this long thread and voiced your queries in individual threads. This will provide better visibility and responses as this thread has gone beyond the point of attracting users when the current "question" is difficult to track.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for letting me know. I had been nervous to post other places since I think the questions I have are as a result of not being familiar with the software. However, if it would be better for me to post language issues on a language thread, I can certainly do that. Thank you.
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Kristin said:
I thought that is what "lemma.h:יָהּ" meant.
One starts with the English when one wants to know every Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic lemma that is translated by the English word somewhere in the translation. One starts with the Hebrew when one wants to know what English words are used to translate the lemma. In both cases, you find all occurrences of word/lemma in the text. One starts with the English or with the Hebrew depending upon what you want to know. Both help you understand where the meanings in the two languages overlap and where they differ. Logos specifically prides itself in making some elements of original language study available to those who don't know the original languages ... following in the tradition of Strong.
Kristin said:I have are as a result of not being familiar with the software.
I find many of your questions relate to language study in general rather than relating specifically to Logos implementation. This question is an example where the issue is when to search on the English vs. when to search on the Hebrew. The answer is the same whether you are using paper concordances + Englishman concordances or if you are using one of the many multi-language software tools.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:
However, if it would be better for me to post language issues on a language thread, I can certainly do that.
Don't start a "language issues" thread for a number of ongoing questions that blow out like this thread has. Just start a new thread with a meaningful, specific title when you have a different question that directly relate to the "how" of Logos.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Hi Dave,
Ya, I understood that. [:)] To be honest, I had previously been nervous to post other places since I am worried my questions are just not being familiar with the software, but if it is fine to just post individual threads, that seems better to me too. Thank you for clarifying though.
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This appears to be a difference in tagging:
So it appears that the ESV is following the tagging of the LHB instead of the SESB.
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Brian Leathers said:
This appears to be a difference in tagging: So it appears that the ESV is following the tagging of the LHB instead of the SESB.
Thank you so much for the screenshot! Yes, that is for sure the reason for the discrepancy. [:)] Thank you. Thank you also for the screenshot on the other thread, that was really helpful.
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Hi, Rick Mansfield. (I guess my quote of your post above didn't take)
Greetings from a longtime Accordance user and forum participant, though not so much lately. I actually did own Logos way back in the earlier days of it's existence.
Anyway, the utter embarrassment that Brand X has become has led me to look into Logos. I called Logos sales to ask two questions:
1. Is there a crossgrade discount available from my Accordance software, and perhaps even my very large library? It was disappointing to hear that no such discount exists. To re-buy even a fraction of my Accordance library would simply not be possible for me at this stage of my life. A shame, but I guess not surprising.
2. Is there a family subscription that would allow me to pay a bit more for a single subscription but share it with my wife, each with our own "profiles," so to speak. Again, the answer was no.
Still, it's great to see your name here along with several others, including Kristin. I may yet jump ship but at a disappointingly low level. Sometimes you've just gotta start over from scratch. This appears to be one of those times.
God be with you, my helpful friend.
Long in the tooth ... short in the memory ... still carried by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, sealed by the Spirit.
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John Barnett said:
1. Is there a crossgrade discount available from my Accordance software, and perhaps even my very large library? It was disappointing to hear that no such discount exists. To re-buy even a fraction of my Accordance library would simply not be possible for me at this stage of my life. A shame, but I guess not surprising.
Hi John, I know you addressed this to Rick, but I just want to add my two cents that this was actually the reason why I went to Accordance in the first place. After BW died, I contacted Logos and got this response, so I contacted Accordance, and they were happy to help. While I am grateful to have Logos now also, Accordance has been (and is) a better fit for my language needs and workflow, so it worked out well having gone with them. But I agree completely that Logos' policy is unusual.
John Barnett said:Still, it's great to see your name here along with several others, including Kristin.
Thank you.
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I used to love personal books and have tons of them in my library. However, since the introduction of the Notes database, I have been moving more to putting everything in notes and anchoring whatever it is to verses to aid in searching and finding things. I find that much closer to what the user is looking for, although, unfortunately, notes will not scroll with the Bible text.
I also used Accordance for a long time when I first started looking at Bible software, and I keep it because of the superior graphics, but Logos is my favorite by far.
Good luck with finding what you need, and welcome to the forums.
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cshover8669 said:
I used to love personal books and have tons of them in my library. However, since the introduction of the Notes database, I have been moving more to putting everything in notes and anchoring whatever it is to verses to aid in searching and finding things.
I found a useful tool that lets you surface notes in which you have mentioned a verse, button anchored it.
A while ago I noticed in the passage guide that there was a section called "Your content." If you have the passage guide linked to your Bible, when you are scrolling through your Bible, it shows you notes and other features you have which relate to a passage where you have typed the verse into that note.
After that, I customised a guide, using only the "Your content"your content feature and called the guide my content. It works in commentaries and other resources as well.
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Antony Brennan said:
After that, I customised a guide, using only the "Your content"your content feature and called the guide my content. It works in commentaries and other resources as well.
You don't have to customize a guide, you can access any guide section alone if you scroll down in the guides menu. https://ref.ly/logos4/Guide?t=System+Guide+Customizations%3a+Your+Content+(Bible+Reference)
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
You don't have to customize a guide, you can access any guide section alone if you scroll down in the guides menu. https://ref.ly/logos4/Guide?t=System+Guide+Customizations%3a+Your+Content+(Bible+Reference)
I know. But I wanted to customise it and call it ”My Content” 😎
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John Barnett said:
Hi, Rick Mansfield. (I guess my quote of your post above didn't take)
Greetings from a longtime Accordance user and forum participant, though not so much lately. I actually did own Logos way back in the earlier days of it's existence...
John, good to hear from you! Without giving away your email address publicly, do you still have the gmail address that uses a first initial, middle name, and last name? If so, I'd like to send you a direct email.
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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Kristin, You're very welcome.
Editorial comment on my initial post:
Shortly after making it I regretted referring to Brand X as an "utter embarrassment." This was (and is) unfair and untrue as a blanket statement. (One particular matter of importance to me was behind the comment.)
When I tried to sign into the forum to remove it, for some reason the forum was not accepting the same login I had just used. When I reset my password this morning I found that the post was no longer editable by me, so I wanted to add this note of contrition.
I cannot comment on original language work in Logos, but Accordance is indeed a fabulous tool for that, and that was the reason I bought and used it in the first place.
Long in the tooth ... short in the memory ... still carried by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, sealed by the Spirit.
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Rick,
Email still the same, and of course I welcome any communication from you.
Long in the tooth ... short in the memory ... still carried by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, sealed by the Spirit.
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To Rick Mansfield
Rick you created a great screen for using Hoffmans Morphological Color coding in NA 28.
How did you do that? I am not computer savvy but I really liked what Dr Hoffman has done.
Thanks
Nick
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Nick Cole said:
Rick you created a great screen for using Hoffmans Morphological Color coding in NA 28.
How did you do that? I am not computer savvy but I really liked what Dr Hoffman has done.
Hi Nick! Not exactly certain what you mean by "great screen." Can you give me a few more details? Sorry my memory is fuzzy, but I've not even finished my first cup of coffee this morning ;-)
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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I'm not Rick, but I did a little googling and saw a highlighting system that you could easily reproduce with a visual filter. Is this what you mean? Excuse the giant fonts. I blow my fonts up when I teach to make them easier to see on a projector.
If so, you can download the one I made here and tweak it as you see fit. https://flshare.net/p56cr4
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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DAL said:ReformedDoc said:
I am telling Nathan....
Great guy, but man did he ruined the Accordance forums and rubbed people the wrong way when he became “the face of Accordance!” I guess, as an employee, he’s required to do that; but Bad for business, though!
DAL
I've spent a long time in deep prayer whether I should respond to this or not. I've decided to go ahead and respond to ensure clarity from me on this. I've also told both Kristin and Rick some of this personally, and I'll also try to reach out to DAL personally as well.
I won't hijack the discussion on comparing both Bible apps since in my current position, it wouldn't be proper for me to do so, other than to say while I work for one company, I still have numerous friends over here who I consider to be dear brothers and sisters in Christ and fellow ministry laborers.
I've done administrative work for multiple and various forums and social media pages over the years (including when the weather company I work for had their own forums and blog and later their own full-fledged social media platform). With the exception of any clear violations of any community guidelines I was given wherever I worked or admined (such as a spammer posting obscene content, we received plenty of that on the weather forums), I have never personally unilaterally banned or restricted people's posting privileges on any site I have admined or took admin action without prior and extensive consultation with whatever team I was working with and with a collective decision from the team. Many admin-level changes over the years on places I have admined have been done in my personal admin account (even at the weather company I worked for), but I did not (and do not) unilaterally make admin-level decisions. To me, with great power comes great responsibility, and I never want to come across as a one-man "tyrant". If I have rubbed any people the wrong way over my years of admining various forums and social media accounts, I can assure you it has not been my personal intention, and I want to take a moment to personally say I am sorry for anyone I have rubbed the wrong way.
Sometimes I don't always come across as the nicest guy in the room, and I'll be the first one to admit that. However, I daily strive to at least be nicer than this guy.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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Hey all, I have been reading through this thread the past week and have found it immensely helpful. I've been saddened by the changes in Accordance leadership and lack of development of the software. I've also started the great migration to Logos. That being said, I feel a renewed excitement for Bible software and have been loving getting to know Logos more. It's also been great seeing so many familiar faces in this thread. I look forward to many years ahead of Bible study and research in Logos as part of this great community, if the Lord wills. Thanks again for all the tips (especially the one about the journal subscription for $50/year)!
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Robb Brunansky said:
I have been reading through this thread the past week and have found it immensely helpful. I've been saddened by the changes in Accordance leadership and lack of development of the software. I've also started the great migration to Logos.
Hi Robb,
I am glad you have found this thread helpful! I have also been really sad about the changes at Accordance (enough that here I am, and I have now invested a lot in Logos), but I still love doing most of my language work in Accordance. I hope both platforms are around forever as I find them both valuable.
Robb Brunansky said:It's also been great seeing so many familiar faces in this thread.
Same here. [:)]
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Robb Brunansky said:
Hey all.... I've also started the great migration to Logos.
Hi Robb, welcome to new pastures.
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Robb Brunansky said:
Thanks again for all the tips (especially the one about the journal subscription for $50/year)!
Welcome Robb!
I too, have been very sad about the state of Accordance, but I can honestly say that I was working on some Greek tonight and marveled at what a cool original languages tool we have in Logos.
Glad you found the journals subscription. Journals are one of my favorite resources in Logos and when combined with smart search and summaries, it is easy to cruise through to what you are looking for. It’s fun to be excited about Bible software for sure!
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One of the tools that I use a lot with Accordance is the MT-LXX tool. Logos does not offer that particular tool but it does have the ability to find Greek equivalents through the Bible Word study tool. Here is another way to find Greek equivalents through Logos that might be helpful:
1. I start with this layout utilizing the Hebrew and Aramaic Index to the Septuagint by Muraoka, the LHB and the search panel keyed to have all searches sent there:
2. Then I hover my mouse over the word לְתוֹעֵבָֽה in Jer. 2:7 and click once to find the word in Muraoka's Index:
3. Then you will see all of the greek equivalents to your word in the Hebrew text. You can then right click on any of the greek words and do a Bible search and find equivalents in your favorite Bibles in the search panel:
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4. But it gets better, from the three dots in the search panel select float this panel:
5. Select analysis then right click on resource and start to remove the check marks on what you don't want to see and leave the items checked that you want to display:
6. Now we can see all of the different hebrew equivalents ἀκάθαρτος that we selected in Muraoka's Index:
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Kristin said:
While I am grateful to have Logos now also, Accordance has been (and is) a better fit for my language needs and workflow, so it worked out well having gone with them.
Kristin thanks for your very balanced comment! And, many thanks for starting this thread!
In my opinion as an Electronic Theological library of publish works in English Logos has no peer nor rival and for that reason I am also grateful to have access to Logos whereever I am and whereever I go.
When it comes to running queries on Original language text logos is very capable and Logos has improved it can much of what I want to do but not all. However setting up the types of queries I want to run tends to be very time consuming and cumbersome. For example I find setting up long boolean like strings just to search on patterns to be unintuitive. That of course is my opinion, others may find Logos to be straightforward and quick. Having said all that I want to say about that as theological library of English works Logos is great!
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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One last thing you can do with Logos is to make sure that the Analytical Research Lexicon to the Septuagint is prioritized in your library. Then you can right click on the greek equivalent in Muraoka's index and then click on the Analytical lexicon under search and then you can find a lot of good information there:
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How did you get that separate gloss to appear in the top left window? It looks as though its a separate pop-up that you'd find on other apps, I've never seen this in Logos. When I hover over a word, I get the gloss in the bottom of the resource, or when I right click and go into the context menu I'm able to open a specific resource, but I don't know how to open up a quick gloss like that. Could you help me achieve that?Brian Leathers said:One last thing you can do with Logos is to make sure that the Analytical Research Lexicon to the Septuagint is prioritized in your library. Then you can right click on the greek equivalent in Muraoka's index and then click on the Analytical lexicon under search and then you can find a lot of good information there:
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Sure thing.
1. Right click on any greek equivalent in Muraoka's Index, then hover your mouse on any of your lexicons showing up under look up in your search panel and you should get the summary pop up to show your info on the word:
Hope this helps.
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Darn, it looks like I don't have that resource. I'm going to check if it does it on other resources though. This is the first I've seen it!
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Bumping this thread as the images are missing! Brian’s posts are really useful and it would be sad to lose them.
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@Jason Stone (Logos) here is a thread with missing images.
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@Donovan R. Palmer This is actually the primary example that we were already looking at! Thank you so much—we're on it.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Cool… I saw this somewhere else in another thread, but I can't remember or find it now!
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@Donovan R. Palmer, noted! Thank you. If it comes to mind, please do let me know.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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@Jason Stone (Logos) I see you fixed it. Well done to you and your team! 🏆
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However setting up the types of queries I want to run tends to be very time consuming and cumbersome.
@BKMitchell I can see that. For those who have a robust original language use case, especially when it comes to some technical searches, Logos can do most things, but not as easily… particularly in Hebrew. Though @Brian Leathers has been demonstrating this gap is much, much narrower than it used to be. He has impressed me over and over, and highlighted areas that I still need learn and grow in.
I bought Accordance years ago when I engaged in formal studies. A lot of materials I needed were in Logos and not in Accordance. Logos 1.x for Mac was out, and I primarily used it as my mobile seminary library because I was travelling a lot, so hauling paper books was not a great option. Accordance was what I used for original languages studies. Then Logos for Mac jumped from 1.x to 4, when the strategy was to have feature parity between the Mac and Windows. Logos v.4 Mac was a trainwreck. So much so, I ran the Windows version in a VM until version 5.0 came out. It was still buggy and slow, and in my view did not hold its own with Accordance's speed until version 10.
So for years, I would say Accordance was the first app that I opened, but this has changed. This has not been intentional, but rather when I am working in Logos and find that I have not felt the need to switch back to Accordance, it is an indicator that the friction to do so, is not worth it to me anymore, at least for my use case. And this is the key I think. Most people's use case, even if they read the original languages, is often not as demanding as some.
Add on top of that, the disaster of Accordance version v. 14 and how far it is slipping behind in technological advancements is disturbing. 'Enhanced syncing' is actually 'standard syncing' in many applications now. Mobile apps and cloud are becoming less and less of a poor cousin, and forming a valid part of people's study workflows. This is mature and standard technology now. Accordance sold these features over two years ago, and when users started to make comments, the response was disasterous and resulted in some even being banned. (I don't blame the admin btw, and I know it is not easy sometimes to make peace) Updates to resources are also slipping further behind, such as some of my main commentaries and journals.
Yet there is still a place for Accordance if they can get the ship righted again. The philosophy of the UI and its capabilities, particularly for demanding original language use cases, has value and so it would be a shame to lose it… particularly as we have seen the premium Bible software space contract considerably. Personally, I felt it very disturbing when BibleWorks closed. I never bought it, but I saw its value and I thought at the time, at least we still have Accordance!
I rarely open Accordance these days. The few times I have, it has crashed. I know there are fixes if I concentrate on it, but this used to never be the case when the Browns ran the company. It was rock solid and put Logos to shame in terms of speed and dependability. This is no longer the case, and while I hope the new management in Accordance can redress all of this, I hope that Logos will also continue to refine its original language capabilities. Without sounding like I want Logos to be Accordance, I do think the original language use case merits a fresh look at search construction, the ability to manage multiple layouts, including renaming of tab groups, and new or improved text tools like text comparison would be welcomed.
With this said, Logos has a much larger general user base and I know these requests compete against things like Sermon Builder or Counselling Guide, which are not on the radar of my use case. AI has been a value add and I can see exactly why Logos has needed to go there, but still… would love to see a tool like text comparison go to the next level in its basic functionality. With all this said, I have to say I am truly grateful for the cool tools we have in both Logos and Accordance. What we have access to is historic! 😎
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Hi @Donovan R. Palmer , we for sure have the same impression of v.14. I am personally still at the point where I like playing with Logos, and there are a few books I like reading in it, but if I need to get actual work done it really forces me to go to Accordance. This is primarily because of how original languages are handled, with the Logos "lemma" vs Accordance "lex" as they are just not comparable. The Accordance lex often finds more, and the reason is because the Logos lemma separates the lex into a different lemma for certain situations (as previously mentioned with words like κύριος), which just doesn't work if I am looking for the word in every instance. I understand there is the root option, but it captures words which are just of the same root, obviously. The second issue is that there is no way to easily compare the lists. If I were in Accordance I could take the results from one search and compare them against each other in under a minute to find the differences, while in Logos it seems to be possible to create something similar, but it is clunky and would require exporting the list outside of Logos (from what I understand). I also miss the way that I have ONE search bar and can type a word or a verse and the system just gets it, while in Logos the process is more complicated, since if I am searching for a word or a verse, they seem to be two different areas. So I suppose in short, I personally feel like Logos does a far better job with books, and Accordance does a far better job with languages and searching (as you mentioned above). While I do need to use Accordance exclusively for my work, I do appreciate having Logos and reading a lot of the cool things I now have in it. I also agree with you about BW, only I in fact did have it.
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Great post. Yeah, I learned a lot about lemma/lex differences earlier in this thread and your approach to your language studies. My approach doesn’t require this distinction at this stage, but it does emphasize why we need different tools and datasets. I hope Accordance and Logos continue to develop.
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" The second issue is that there is no way to easily compare the lists. If I were in Accordance I could take the results from one search and compare them against each other in under a minute to find the differences, while in Logos it seems to be possible to create something similar, but it is clunky and would require exporting the list outside of Logos (from what I understand). I also miss the way that I have ONE search bar and can type a word or a verse and the system just gets it, while in Logos the process is more complicated, since if I am searching for a word or a verse, they seem to be two different areas. "
This post-quoting in the new exciting forum, is really not satisfactory … first a 'quote' to reference the post correctly, and then a copy/paste (Jason's solution) to narrow down the issue.
ANYWAY … your second issue has always been a mystery to me … why the Logos design-team (or the boss) doesn't place efficiency as a key feature in planning app development. Passage lists are a very common tool; my preacher Dad lived on them. Especially comparing his passage lists for … another passage list! They're integral to types of preaching, and also research. Another example is text comparison … sometimes folks want to do a single passage comparison and scroll … sometimes compare a list of passages. In Logos, good luck … it's do-able. Just painful.
OT: I just noticed, the forum app can't underline, etc. Basically, bold, and strike-thru, though italics works.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The second issue is that there is no way to easily compare the lists. If I were in Accordance I could take the results from one search and compare them against each other in under a minute to find the differences, while in Logos it seems to be possible to create something similar, but it is clunky and would require exporting the list outside of Logos (from what I understand)
You can compare Passage Lists using the Merge option - there are a number of ways you can use this.
since if I am searching for a word or a verse, they seem to be two different areas
Can you expand on this please?
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In Logos, good luck … it's do-able. Just painful.
When we were debating in-line search in relation to the new dynamic search bar, I was surprised about the push towards the search panel. Some of the concerns were heard and made the cut, but it really made me wonder who on the team is pushing the developmental boundaries and efficiencies of original languages work. Voices like Dr. Heiser and Rick Brannan are not as prominent as they used to be. So when it comes to strategy, who is starting to wave the flag that the text comparison tool is looking very long in the tooth, let alone the limited data sets that it accesses? So I hope in this new era we might be able to hear what is on the roadmap for investment. To be fair, I don’t see Accordance with its core issues and no one like the Browns in the mix, innovating anything new soon either.
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