a question from an Accordance User
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Kristin said:
Could you try sending me a message and then I could just reply to it?
I went to your profile but can't figure out how to send you a message either.
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Btw, when John wrote:
"My only complaint about the current forum is that you cannot zoom/enlarge the text and have it re-format. You can only enlarge the entire page."
I was going to respond, but I got an auto-message from the forum saying I can't muli-quote. So it let me quote John, then Mark, but then I couldn't go back to John.Anyway, I agree that is odd, and actually hadn't noticed that was missing until you mentioned it.
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Btw, when John wrote:
"My only complaint about the current forum is that you cannot zoom/enlarge the text and have it re-format. You can only enlarge the entire page."
I was going to respond, but I got an auto-message from the forum saying I can't muli-quote. So it let me quote John, then Mark, but then I couldn't go back to John.Anyway, I agree that is odd, and actually hadn't noticed that was missing until you mentioned it.
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Kristin said:
This forum seems sort of archaic compared to the other forum. I did see your thread about requesting a like button etc, and someone said they are in the process of updating it this year. So that is good. Hopefully that ro-bo check will go away as it seems sort of intense for little replies.
This forum software is very, very, old. I mean very old and what they used before this was USENET newsgroups!I am glad they are going to update it this year.
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John said:DAL said:ReformedDoc said:
I am telling Nathan....
Great guy, but man did he ruined the Accordance forums and rubbed people the wrong way when he became “the face of Accordance!” I guess, as an employee, he’s required to do that; but Bad for business, though!
DAL
I used to be on there but i got not only banned, but had every single post I had ever made deleted. And most of my posts were good and helpful to others
.I do remember Kristen was one of the nicest people over there
The posts supposedly don’t get deleted, they get hidden. I made a couple of posts pointing out in a respectful manner how they had only promised to include more Spanish titles but nothing happened. Well, sure enough, Nate didn’t like the posts and he sent a private message stating that if I had any questions just to contact him personally. Thanks to his dictator attitude and practices of cancel culture the only thing I get from Accordance are the freebies! I no longer invest money in the software or resources. I still use the software, but will not support them financially until they change and become transparent! I think the founders are dying out and running out of ideas to stay afloat.
DAL
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Mark Allison said:
This makes me sad. Accordance has a growing track record of banning users and suppressing respectful open questions about the direction of the platform. It’s not a pleasant atmosphere so I don’t participate there anymore.
Please post away here and even ask difficult questions. I have always appreciated the light forum management touch that Logos exercises and suggest that it lends to a healthier and more transparent community.
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Roy and Helen Brown retired and sold Accordance to Troy Wormell about three years ago. The change in management is directly related to the very obvious app development and support issues that customers have seen in the past few years.DAL said:I think the founders are dying out and running out of ideas to stay afloat.
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Mark Allison said:
I posted on how I did not like how former employees were treated and of course the post got hidden 🤦🏻♂️ Anyway, time to move on and see what Logos’s bright future has in store. 👍
DAL
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
This forum software is very, very, old. I mean very old and what they used before this was USENET newsgroups!I am glad they are going to update it this year.
When you said, "I mean very old and what they used before..." I thought you would say "before Moses."
I don't know if they are starting from scratch, but the old forum uses an Invision Community template which works really well.- multi quote
- simple one step subscribe to a thread
- simple message center
- reactions more than just responding
- font size differences
- no learning curve
- promotes interaction and community
Here is the template link in case it is helpful to anyone working on the updated forum.0 -
This is a great wish list for forum features! 👍
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
Please post away here and even ask difficult questions. I have always appreciated the light forum management touch that Logos exercises and suggest that it lends to a healthier and more transparent community.
That is encouraging to hear.
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Mark Allison said:
Roy and Helen Brown retired and sold Accordance to Troy Wormell about three years ago. The change in management is directly related to the very obvious app development and support issues that customers have seen in the past few years.DAL said:I think the founders are dying out and running out of ideas to stay afloat.
Wow, that explains everything! The new people don’t know what they’re doing 🤦🏻♂️ Well, I’m glad every single resource I own it’s in Logos format in case the company disappears!
DAL
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DAL said:
Thanks to his dictator attitude and practices of cancel culture
Like Mark clarified, this occurred with the new management, and he is apparently following orders. Personally, I don't think cancel culture is a good business model, but it seems to be intentional over there since the new management.
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DAL said:
I’m glad every single resource I own it’s in Logos format in case the company disappears!
Do you mean you just re-bought everything in Logos format? I think a lot of people are worried about what is happening. It is not only sad, but not good for Logos either.
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DAL said:
Wow, that explains everything! The new people don’t know what they’re doing 🤦🏻♂️ Well, I’m glad every single resource I own it’s in Logos format in case the company disappears!
DAL
Years ago, Logos was mainly my seminary library and as a Mac user I used Accordance for original language studies in a Bibleworks sort of way. The differences are not that great anymore and so with their lack of a modern synchronization capability and issues with data corruption, I rarely use it these days.
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Kristin said:DAL said:
I’m glad every single resource I own it’s in Logos format in case the company disappears!
Do you mean you just re-bought everything in Logos format? I think a lot of people are worried about what is happening. It is not only sad, but not good for Logos either.
No, when I invested a little bit in Accordance I already had Logos. So when Carta resources came to Logos there was no need for Accordance anymore. I own 24K + resources in Logos. The only good thing Accordance has that I still like is the “Paper” feature for sermons since it allows me to insert pictures that zoom in and out. That’s very useful since I present Bible classes from my Screen. I’m slowly going back to power point for pictures. I’m still hoping Logos can implement something similar for their sermon editor. I may have invested maybe $1000 or less in Accordance. With all the bad changes I might as well just consider my investment lost!
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DAL said:
Well, I’m glad every single resource I own it’s in Logos format in case the company disappears!DAL
I’m not happy about Logos slowly evolving into an online dependent client/server system. And I’m absolutely certain that the AI fad will fizzle out in time. But I am happy Logos has a good chance of surviving given the new subscription model.
I was happy to finally see someone telling the truth about the AI hype recently as Goldman Sachs says AI is overhyped and warns investors to prepare for a large bubble ending in similar manner to the .com bubble.
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John said:
Goldman Sachs says AI is overhyped
I realize everyone has their own opinion about AI, but I've already used it to create several tools that have enhanced my workflow. Using a slide rule to perform calculations worked, but when electronic calculators became affordable, nobody wanted to go back.
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Mark Allison said:John said:
Goldman Sachs says AI is overhyped
I realize everyone has their own opinion about AI, but I've already used it to create several tools that have enhanced my workflow. Using a slide rule to perform calculations worked, but when electronic calculators became affordable, nobody wanted to go back.
Please elaborate, I would love to hear about your use of AI … is this using Logos?
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DAL said:
when I invested a little bit in Accordance I already had Logos. So when Carta resources came to Logos there was no need for Accordance anymore.
I see, thanks for clarifying.
DAL said:I own 24K + resources in Logos.
That is intense.
DAL said:The only good thing Accordance has that I still like is the “Paper” feature... I’m slowly going back to power point for pictures.
I think their "Papers" was the only feature I don't use.
Being on a Mac, why are you using Powerpoint instead of Keynote?DAL said:I may have invested maybe $1000 or less in Accordance. With all the bad changes I might as well just consider my investment lost!
I think that is my primary concern about Logos. First I spent all this money with BibleWorks, then I got locked out and ALL my resources disappeared.
Then I moved to Accordance and re-bought everything thinking I was making a wise investment. Now here I am and I truly need to think of what to do. I am currently only on the free Logos and am scared of investing for a third time and am feeling burned out.
I am also having A LOT of confusion about finances. I have heard though the grapevine that you get 30% off of your first.... purchase? package? It kind of matters. If it is your first purchase I would hate to buy a random $50 resource then LATER buy a package and lose the 30%. Is this clarified anywhere, or does anyone know?0 -
John said:
I was happy to finally see someone telling the truth about the AI hype recently as Goldman Sachs says AI is overhyped and warns investors to prepare for a large bubble ending in similar manner to the .com bubble.
I have a hard time believing it will fizzle out, but I hope so. I really dislike AI.
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John said:
I’m not happy about Logos slowly evolving into an online dependent client/server system. And I’m absolutely certain that the AI fad will fizzle out in time. But I am happy Logos has a good chance of surviving given the new subscription model.
It is not for everyone, but have found smart search to be useful in mining my massive Logos library and summarizing resources. I think the way they are implementing it into the help Centre search is also a value add.
With this said, it is generally overhyped, particularly because many are already using elements of AI and don’t even know it.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I’m not happy about Logos slowly evolving into an online dependent client/server system. And I’m absolutely certain that the AI fad will fizzle out in time. But I am happy Logos has a good chance of surviving given the new subscription model.
Could you clarify this? When you buy a resource in Logos, you OWN that resource and you aren't renting it like a subscription. Correct? I wouldn't buy anything if it is the later.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I didn’t write this, but yes, you own resources you buy under a perpetual license.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
it is generally overhyped, particularly because many are already using elements of AI and don’t even know it.
I agree people use it without even knowing it, and that is fine. The concern I have is that it is getting woven into sites where people used to go for reputable information, which is obviously problematic with the relatively frequent factual errors and known bias. Sometimes the errors, like recommending putting glue on pizza to thicken the sauce (like it did recently), are just ridiculous , but it also shows that it can't be trusted for any serious study. I also don't like that it seems to be taking more and more jobs, and overall seems to be a net loss for society.
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Kristin said:
Is this clarified anywhere, or does anyone know?
lots of people on he forum know how to work the system. It definitely pays to wait for the best sale.
You can spend a lot on Logos, so you might want to buy a package that has most of what you need already included.
It is good to have a plan. I spent a lot more than I had originally intended, but buy adding legacy packages I picked up a lot of good resources very cheap. It is actually a lot of fun.
If you have limited budget, you should probably stick with Accordance, assuming you already own all or most of what you need. It is an industry wide crime that a purchase of a resource on one program does not transfer to another platform.
As far as Bibleworks, it still runs if you have a valid license. I have it running on macOs.
last I checked , the old Bibleworks forum was completely non-functional, but the update and activation servers were still functioning.
Bibleworks 7 running on Apple silicon M2 using WineHQ and Rosetta
If you have a valid license, why would you not still use it? [:)]
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John said:
If you have limited budget, you should probably stick with Accordance, assuming you already own all or most of what you need.
If Accordance keeps functioning, I would love to do that, but I am not sure how practical that will be given the data loss issues @Donovan said above.
John said:As far as Bibleworks, it still runs if you have a valid license. I have it running on macOs.
I think the key is that you have BibleWorks 7, and it appears to run different than BibleWorks 9. I personally only had BibleWorks 9, and the way that software unfortunately worked, it connected to the server during launch. So then when BibleWorks went under, anyone using BibleWorks 9 was instantly locked out. So when I switched to Accordance, one of the number one concerns I had was about this, but I was assured that Accordance only connected to the server when I download something. (I turned off my Wi-Fi and launched Logos, and it works fine, so thankfully Logos is like Accordance in that regard).
So that is the sad story of BW 9
John said:It is an industry wide crime that a purchase of a resource on one program does not transfer to another platform.
I agree 100%.
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John said:
If you have limited budget, you should probably stick with Accordance, assuming you already own all or most of what you need. It is an industry wide crime that a purchase of a resource on one program does not transfer to another platform.
As far as Bibleworks, it still runs if you have a valid license. I have it running on macOs.
last I checked , the old Bibleworks forum was completely non-functional, but the update and activation servers were still functioning.
I will keep Accordance up the date with minimal investment, but until there is a massive change in the values, culture and delivery on promises, I will not spend another penny on resources. I have too many disks collecting dust — PC Study Bible, QuickVerse and WordSearch, to act as a history lesson that I need to see some positive changes to regain my trust.
With that said, I am impressed you are still able to run BibleWorks. Great programme. I nearly bought it instead of Accordance years ago.
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