a question from an Accordance User
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Do the devs make a habit of publicly discussing unreleased features on the forums? Honestly, I hope that's not how the process works, but I haven't been around long enough to know for sure.
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Yes, and below is just one example. I actually like that they get feedback. My only problem is the sole focus on preaching tools these days.
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@Mateus de Castro wrote:
I was going to post a new thread about how OL seems dead on Logos. It doesn't get much love on sales; features are dead on the platform (discourse tools not upgrades for ages, while BibleArc and others appear and grow, just for one example); and resources are low. For someone who viewed Logos as the 'future' of OL studies, I'm terribly disappointed.
I share this concern, at least to the point that there has been little in recent years to make one think that OL is part of the future roadmap.
But if Rick M. says he is out working the publisher network, I am confident we will see some movement on more recent resources. 😎
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There is also a thread giving a preview on a 'Smart Search' for the Bible.
I totally get the AI focus. Makes a lot of sense… so, just waiting for OL's turn in this new era! 😏
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Yes. Especially when there's a promise in there about 'regular feature upgrades' or some-such. And only some areas are getting those.
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Still hoping to see more offline features as well.
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You touched on an important topic. Why is Logos assuming you are either a "preacher", or an "academic" ie: one who studies the original languages? Many are both and I dare say that is the ideal for those who can.
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This would make sense, well only if they care to give the LFL customers a reason to want to go past two years
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That's what bothers me. It seems too focused now. I love most of those features, but I could use other kinds as well. Just not holding my breath.
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Does, this mean that we may be seeing a new Logos OL library or basepackage in the future?
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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I agree with you 100% that Logos seem to assume that it's users or Preachers and academics but I am not so confidence that Logos assumes people are doing original language studies. Notice, Logos no longer sells an OL library or basepackage.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Obviously just guessing, but I doubt an OL package. They probably view the greek/hebrew libraries as 'enough'. And more guessing, I'd suspect it has more to do with the marketplace (colleges/seminaries) instead of Logos per se … Accordance is sort of the canary in the mineshaft. But if more OL resources are in the future, that'd be fine (I hope we're talking more than grammars etc). Akkadian comes to mind very quickly (cognate to hebrew resources). Also Accordance has some nice ones, not in Logos.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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@BKMitchell, if you're asking me, I don't know as I'm not a part of planning such. But "in the future" is pretty wide open.
I would say, though, don't forget our Library Expansion bundles. If I can put on my user hat for a second, I find these at least as valuable as base packages—and maybe more so as they are more focused. If an original language base package were to be offered, it would have a little bit of everything, some of which you may not be interested in. The expansion bundles focus on particular areas. In regard to original languages, I would point to the expansions for Ancient Texts and Translations, Greek Studies, and Hebrew Studies. And don't forget the Textual Variants Feature Expansion. There is a lot of good original language content in these bundles.Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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This is a really good one to keep in mind, as well:
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can you give me an idea how that text might look like. I've done hundreds of PBs, so maybe I can find a way for this to work for you. Tho, not on Mac. If I remember well, Logos doesn't support PBs on Mac. Or did that change recently.
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What, greek/hebrew libraries are you referring to? When I look at the following page: https://www.logos.com/compare/libraries2025 I do not see any mention of the greek/Hebrew libraries you speak of? I see Leader, Preacher, Researcher, Standard, and Verbum. I see the legacy libraries which included a number of denominational libraries and the standard libraries of past years but no mention of the Greek/Hebrew libraries that you think they might view as 'enough'?
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Thank you for your response, well I am wondering what Logos Library can I recommend to those interested in OL who do not have a logos library and who want to focus on Hebrew/Greek and who do not need or want commentaries, preaching resources, and theology? In the past Logos had an OL library and the SESB as a wonderful entry into Logos what is there now that replaces those points of entry?
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Thanks for the quick reply! I see so you were refering to the expansion libraries? I was hoping that there would be something in the 2025 library line up …
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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The 2025 "Researcher" Libraries are Logos' attempt at doing just this. As Rick mentioned, base libraries have to include a little bit of everything. When the Researcher libraries were first mentioned on the forums, they were discussed as packages designed to appeal to the OL crowd. Perhaps it just isn't possible to offer the ideal OL Library at the 90% off pricing that is standard for base packages. I believe the Researcher Libraries represent their best attempt at doing this, for better or worse.
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@BKMitchell as Aaron says above, the Researcher libraries are where you would want to start. Then you could add appropriate bundles to it that are more specific.
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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That's because all the boys were being gentlemen and let the girls go first and then the only crayons left were the 8 crayons in a box. LOL
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Back when I was in seminary, there was a "German Bible Society" bundle or "GBS" bundle (forgot how it was worded exactly) that I was told was the closest replacement of SESB. It didn't have everything SESB had, but it still had much of what SESB had and had the majority of GBS' biblical language stuff. SESB was discontinued before I had a chance to grab it, but I think I grabbed that replacement bundle way back when. I think a similar situation happened with IVP Essentials. It was replaced with another IVP bundle. Thankfully I didn't make the same mistake with missing out on IVP Essentials like I did with SESB.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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Thanks, I have seen the Researcher Libraries but it would be nice if there were libraries that didn't come with a little bit of everything. This is also kind of my problem with the new logos subscriptions rather then just features subscription also come with libraries of books.
Anyway, thank Aaron Hamilton!
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Thanks for the reply, but I think I would want something or I would want to recommend something much more focused than the Researcher Libraries are so starting the appropriate bundles makes more sense.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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I had the SESB 3 and it was great! Now while Logos sells neithe the SESB nor the GBS bundle I think they still have the most of the resource from those libraries in the store. I think it would be nice if they had a new SESB Library.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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I agree, OL is a mixed bag. Brian mentions
But even that is a mixture of this and that. I thought pre-NewEra had a nice Essentials or similar.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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This statement is the closest thing I have seen in a while that reverberates with my own thoughts.
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I agree, but I've found the floating window workaround is pretty good. I have two floating windows open in addition to the main app. All three are full-screen. One floating window is my scripture reading setup; for my daily reading time in my print Bible, this window is up, with a pane with my top five Bibles on the left, a pane with my top study Bibles in the middle, and a pane with all my favorite commentaries on the right, all linked in a single link set. The other floating window is my book reading setup, with the books I'm reading on the right side, and all resources I want for book reading on the left side: a few Bibles, a Library window, and various tools. The main app window is for a ton of full-screen tabs of all sorts. This is all a single layout.
What have you found less than fully functional about floating windows? I would prefer three instances of the app to my setup, but I've found my setup works well.0 -
Hi @Thomas Glen Leo ,
That is good to hear that the floating windows have worked well for you. To be honest, I can't quite picture what you are describing. Would you mind posting a screenshot?
As far as why I haven't found them fully functional, the primary issue is that they just aren't fully functional. Even Logos doesn't claim that a floating window has the functionality of a normal layout. That said, my independent "workspaces" (Logos "layouts") are all regarding different topics. I often need to minimize them (not close them…) and then create new workspaces from workspaces. My understanding is that you can't create full-fledged layouts from a floating window. Those are just a few of the issues off the top of my head.
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