a question from an Accordance User
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Click the down arrow beside the double thick vertical lines. That's the button for multiple book display. Then just search for what you want and check the box. I haven't worked with passage lists enough to answer your second question.
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Jonathan Huber said:
Click the down arrow beside the double thick vertical lines.
Hi Jonathan,
I don't see the double lines. Here is what I see. Am I missing something obvious? You also seem to have other things like the alpha omega symbol, so I think you have a tool bar open or something.
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That’s on a text view. Not a search. Just open a text from the library and you’ll see it.
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Kristin said:
When I did the morph.g:TN WITHIN 1 WORDS morph.g:TN formula it produced 412 hits in 93 verses, while the Accordance Construct produces 100 hits in 91 verses.
An alternative is morph.g:TN THEN morph.g:TN, which produces 102 hits in 93 verses.
THEN counts each pair as one hit.WITHIN is bi-directional so it will count each particle as a hit going forward, and as a hit in the reverse direction.
BEFORE will only count each particle in one direction
In each case note how the triple in Heb 13.5 is counted (use the verse as the Passage in Search).
If you want a list of passages after the Search, go to the Panel menu and select Save as Passage List.
If you can copy the passage/reference results in Accordance, then create a Passage List in Logos:
- Documents menu > New > Passage List; then
- Add menu > ....clipboard
- Compare the PL's via the Merge menu > Difference (do this from the larger List).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Jonathan Huber said:
That’s on a text view. Not a search. Just open a text from the library and you’ll see it.
Hi Jonathan,
Ok, thanks, I found it.
I am still kind of confused though, as I know you can do parallels in grid view. Here is a pic Mark Allison posted. Granted, it is in English, but the principle remains and so I am not sure why I can't add the UBS to be alongside it. Here is his pic:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/223994/1306001.aspx#1306001Dave Hooton said:If you can copy the passage/reference results in Accordance, then create a Passage List in Logos:
- Documents menu > New > Passage List; then
- Add menu > ....clipboard
Hi Dave,
Thank you. I was able to get to the point of creating a Passage List. However, I don't see "Add" anywhere.
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Kristin, 'Add', on your new passage list (as you indicated) is to the top, far left ... opposite the Memorize button,
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
Kristin, 'Add', on your new passage list (as you indicated) is to the top, far left ... opposite the Memorize button
Hi DMB,
Thank you, I finally see it now. After a few tries I was able to copy all, and it copied all the Greek. It appears that there isn't a "Reference List" equivalent.
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Jonathan Huber said:
Since this thread is turning into a reference for newcomers from Accordance
Yes - but many of the discussions about the use of Logos are relevant to anyone.
I would recommend those wanting to understand how Logos works to ask specific questions in the Logos Desktop forum so each one can be addressed individually which might make it easier for people to find and refer to them.
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Kristin said:
It appears that there isn't a "Reference List" equivalent.
What is a Reference List in Accordance?
Knowing that we might be able to speak about Logos equivalents. From the previous discussion it looked as though a Logos Passage List was somewhat equivalent.
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Frank Jones said:
MJ, are the specific models noted for each text noted anywhere?
It varies but basically one has to infer it by the elements identified in the grammar and syntax.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Passage list in Logos = Reference list in Accordance.
You can save a search to a passage list or create your own passage list under Documents.
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John Fidel said:
Passage list in Logos = Reference list in Accordance.
You can save a search to a passage list or create your own passage list under Documents.
Thanks John, this is the sort of thing that's very helpful for Accordance users to know. In fact, it would be awesome if someone familiar with both apps could create a list of equivalents.
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Graham Criddle said:
Your screenshot is interesting - it suggests, at least to me, that this construct in Accordance is more akin to a Morph Query in Logos - which does use more natural English to define search terms. But it does seen to handle the triple negative case as below
Graham, it looks like the Morph Query is the closest parallel to a construct search in Accordance. Thanks for sharing!
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Mark Allison said:
Any idea why you can't search the NA28 with the Morph Query?
The search is performed on Logos servers and it is optimized for their in-house Greek and Hebrew bibles (SBLGNT and LHB).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:Mark Allison said:
Any idea why you can't search the NA28 with the Morph Query?
The search is performed on Logos servers and it is optimized for their in-house Greek and Hebrew bibles (SBLGNT and LHB).
Thanks for the fast response Dave!
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Dave Hooton said:Mark Allison said:
Any idea why you can't search the NA28 with the Morph Query?
The search is performed on Logos servers and it is optimized for their in-house Greek and Hebrew bibles (SBLGNT and LHB).
I would think that the difference in approach would potentially be frustrating. I wonder what the search would return if you were offline and it could not access the Logos servers?
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Frank Jones said:
I would think that the difference in approach would potentially be frustrating. I wonder what the search would return if you were offline and it could not access the Logos servers?
This is a cloud feature (it requires the Internet). So it would return an error message.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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As a dual platform Logos/Accordance user, I have found parts of this thread fascinating regarding some of the technical differences at a granular level. It is cool to see the platforms put through their paces by fairly demanding users. Nice.
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Mark Allison said:John Fidel said:
Passage list in Logos = Reference list in Accordance.
You can save a search to a passage list or create your own passage list under Documents.
Thanks John, this is the sort of thing that's very helpful for Accordance users to know. In fact, it would be awesome if someone familiar with both apps could create a list of equivalents.
For me the most important comparisons are as follows:
Bible Word Study = Word Study- In Logos I suggest opening a BWS and linking it to a Bible text that has a reverse interlinear. Click on a text in the Bible and BWS populates.
Passage Guide = Info Pane- again, in Logos I suggest linking the Passage Guide to your Bible text so it populates as you move through scripture. if you open a commentary from the PG it will open to the section you are studying, but it will not automatically link, so you don't have your study bible moving around if the commentary has multiple verses referenced.
Information Window = Instant Details- in Logos I have one open for most layouts as it removes the pop ups in the bible text and I have it set to populate on click rather than hover. The Information Window is much more in depth, but can be customized. The translation section is very helpful as it show the english translation for each reverse interlinear text you own. I think if you play with it you will find what your sweet spot is.
MultiView = Bible Texts in the same pane - using multiview allows for you to have an English text and an Original Language Text (or multiple texts) in the same pane. Click on word and it will highlight in the other text.
Open your favorite Lexicon and link it to the bible so it populates whenever you click on a word in the bible.
Open a second Bible and set it to "send searches here" to avoid losing you place of study in your main bible as you click on references from other resources/tools.
This should be a good start. Here are a few screenshots of my layout.
This has the BWS on the left, Bible using multi view with the greek text, linked lexicon also using multi view with 3 lexicons and the information window.
Here is a multi view that has the ESV, BHS, Lxx English and LXX Greek. Note the cross highlighting:
This is a good starting point for duplicating Accordance features and then some.
Let me know if you have questions.
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John Fidel said:
Passage Guide = Info Pane-
Blurring the lines a bit, the new Logos Insights column can also be compared to the Accordance Info Pane.
Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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Good point Rick!
I haven't used it since my PG is customized.
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Graham Criddle said:
What is a Reference List in Accordance?
Hi Graham,
If I have a bunch of verses I can say "select all --> new reference list" and it adds ONLY the references to a list I can rename.
Then I can open a new group of verses and tell Accordance to show me all of the verses in the new list, but ignore all the verses that are on both the new list and the reference list, as one example. I don't know how everyone uses it, but I mainly use it to compare and contrast verses.
My goal had to to create a list of the Logos verses, then compare it against Accordance. We know that Heb 13:5 is a discrepancy, but I was wanting to compare them more in depth.John Fidel said:Passage list in Logos = Reference list in Accordance.
Hi John,
Hopefully this is correct. I was working with the Passage list in Logos last night and got so frustrated I finally needed a break. So far they are not the same thing, as I can only copy the Greek, but not copy only the verses. The reference list in Accordance is only verses. It has also been sort of frustrating since just right clicking and copying anything seems to often be disabled. It is so basic, but if I right click my only option is "Send to Proclaim" and I can't figure out how to turn this off.
Donovan R. Palmer said:As a dual platform Logos/Accordance user, I have found parts of this thread fascinating regarding some of the technical differences at a granular level. It is cool to see the platforms put through their paces by fairly demanding users. Nice.
I feel that way too.
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Kristin said:Donovan R. Palmer said:
As a dual platform Logos/Accordance user, I have found parts of this thread fascinating regarding some of the technical differences at a granular level. It is cool to see the platforms put through their paces by fairly demanding users. Nice.
I feel that way too.
As a dual user, although 90 Acc and 10 Logos, I am interested in knowing what one or the other can do that the other cannot, just so I know my options. I have always felt, without hard data due to my newness, that it is like the Chevy/Ford/Dodge debates, where they all do the main things needed, but each may have some unique bell or whistle. I am following this thread, listening for the whistles ... on either side.
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Kristin said:
John Fidel said:
Passage list in Logos = Reference list in Accordance.
Hi John,
Hopefully this is correct. I was working with the Passage list in Logos last night and got so frustrated I finally needed a break. So far they are not the same thing, as I can only copy the Greek, but not copy only the verses. The reference list in Accordance is only verses. It has also been sort of frustrating since just right clicking and copying anything seems to often be disabled. It is so basic, but if I right click my only option is "Send to Proclaim" and I can't figure out how to turn this off.
Did you click on "Compact" to just get the verses?
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Mark Allison said:
it would be awesome if someone familiar with both apps could create a list of equivalents
Nathan posted a long list on the Accordance forums a few months ago. (Hopefully it's ok to link that. If I'm breaking any rules, let me know and I'll remove it.)
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Jonathan Huber said:Mark Allison said:
it would be awesome if someone familiar with both apps could create a list of equivalents
Nathan posted a long list on the Accordance forums a few months ago. (Hopefully it's ok to link that. If I'm breaking any rules, let me know and I'll remove it.)
Excellent! I missed that somehow, but good to have for a bookmark.
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Jonathan Huber said:
Nathan posted a long list on the Accordance forums a few months ago. (Hopefully it's ok to link that. If I'm breaking any rules, let me know and I'll remove it.)
Thank you Jonathan! That is super helpful!
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I rarely use the passage list so I am not sure that this is what you are looking for but I "Think" this might help.
Try using the merge function of the passage list. See the attached screen shot.
If I understand correctly you have 2 lists A & B.
You want to see all items that are in A but NOT in B, correct? If so then this should do it.
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Roy said:
If I understand correctly you have 2 lists A & B.
You want to see all items that are in A but NOT in B, correct? If so then this should do it.
Hi Roy,
Thank you for the screenshot. I have three main points / questions:
1) I can't even find the picture you are saying, as the "Add / Merge / Sort / Open All" is not a toolbar I see anywhere. I am on the "Morph" tab, but no matter where I click, I don't see that.
2) As I flip around to the tabs, I can hardly think straight since 90% of the screen is taken up with this explanation junk. I can understand it showing it once, but it shows up on EVERY tab and opens EVERY TIME I do anything and I can't find my actual work. I wind up needing to repeatedly do the "search" to make it go away. The explanations on this block of info isn't even clear, and sort of assumes the person has already been using Logos for awhile. Is there a way to get rid of this?
3) Well, ya, I do want to see everything in A, but not B, but the problem is that A is in Accordance and B is in Logos. So I wanted a pure reference list that I could manually add and compare the two. The Logos way seems to take a lot of control away from the user which doesn't seem good.
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Kristin said:
1) I can't even find the picture you are saying, as the "Add / Merge / Sort / Open All" is not a toolbar I see anywhere. I am on the "Morph" tab, but no matter where I click, I don't see that.
This is an option in a Passage List, not in a Search tab
Kristin said:2) As I flip around to the tabs, I can hardly think straight since 90% of the screen is taken up with this explanation junk. I can understand it showing it once, but it shows up on EVERY tab and opens EVERY TIME
This will appear on all blank Search tabs - but only there. If you don't want to make use of the information - and I rarely do - you can just ignore it and enter the search term you want
Kristin said:3) Well, ya, I do want to see everything in A, but not B, but the problem is that A is in Accordance and B is in Logos. So I wanted a pure reference list that I could manually add and compare the two.
Does this work - starting from the morph search we were discussing earlier?
This generates a Passage List from the morph search - with the resultant Passage List shown on the left. If you just want to see the verses, click the Compact button
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Kristin said:
I do want to see everything in A, but not B, but the problem is that A is in Accordance and B is in Logos. So I wanted a pure reference list that I could manually add and compare the two. The Logos way seems to take a lot of control away from the user which doesn't seem good.
It seems you'd want to Print/Export the passage list (which also will export to the clipboard to paste it into a spreadsheet program or whatever tool you like to use for comparison). If it is in Compact format it will just be a list of unformatted bible references.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
It seems you'd want to Print/Export the passage list (which also will export to the clipboard to paste it into a spreadsheet program or whatever tool you like to use for comparison). If it is in Compact format it will just be a list of unformatted bible references.
Hi NB. Mick,
Thank you for the idea. Where is the Print option? If I right click, it just wants me to "Send to Proclaim" and that is my only option. (On a side note, is there a way to get rid of this in settings? I don't use Proclaim).
I don't see a "Compact" view. I only see Narrow, Normal, or Broad, but perhaps this changes when you get to the print section.0 -
Kristin said:
I don't see a "Compact" view. I only see Narrow, Normal, or Broad, but perhaps this changes when you get to the print section.
Please post a screenshot showing which tab you are referring to.
What you are describing relates to a Search panel whereas the things we are referring to are in a Passage List.
Kristin said:Thank you for the idea. Where is the Print option? If I right click, it just wants me to "Send to Proclaim" and that is my only option. (On a side note, is there a way to get rid of this in settings? I don't use Proclaim).
Again, please post a screenshot. Send to Proclaim is an option in certain contexts, but I'm not sure where you are seeing it here.
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Kristin said:
I can hardly think straight since 90% of the screen is taken up with this explanation junk
I respectfully disagree with that description.
The info is only there if you haven't done a search on that tab, and I find it really helpful since I don't know all the syntax yet for the search commands. It's nice to have the guides there as a reminder. 0 -
This thread has been really helpful. Everyone is mentoring one another on how to use the program. [:D]
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Ooh, these buttons on the Search tab just solved some frustration. They toggle case-sensitive (brothers vs Brothers) and multiple forms (love, loves, loved) limits on the search term. (I was getting only case-sensitive returns and didn't know why.) Kinda like the =abc and "abc" on Accordance except that for some reason I can never remember how to format those correctly. This is a little more obvious to me. It gets a little more complicated if you have multiple terms and want different degrees of stringency, but quotes and asterisks seem to work in Logos too. Cool.
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[Y]Jonathan Huber said:Ooh, these buttons on the Search tab just solved some frustration. They toggle case-sensitive (brothers vs Brothers) and multiple forms (love, loves, loved) limits on the search term. (I was getting only case-sensitive returns and didn't know why.) Kinda like the =abc and "abc" on Accordance except that for some reason I can never remember how to format those correctly. This is a little more obvious to me. It gets a little more complicated if you have multiple terms and want different degrees of stringency, but quotes and asterisks seem to work in Logos too. Cool.
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It has been great following the comments of so many "old" friends. John, Rick, Jonathan, and Mark keep it up brothers!
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Kristin said:NB.Mick said:
It seems you'd want to Print/Export the passage list (which also will export to the clipboard to paste it into a spreadsheet program or whatever tool you like to use for comparison). If it is in Compact format it will just be a list of unformatted bible references.
Hi NB. Mick,
Thank you for the idea. Where is the Print option?
In the panel menu (some call it kebap menu: the three vertically stacked dots on the top right of the Passage List tab - or any other tab for that matter)
this sounds as if you're not in a Passage List at all, but still in Search. It's in the Passage List on the top right of the list of verses:Kristin said:I don't see a "Compact" view. I only see Narrow, Normal, or Broad,
EDIT: Just for the sake of those looking on and asking themselves, how to get a Passage List from search results: it's in the panel menu of the Search tab:
Have joy in the Lord!
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Randall Cue said:
It has been great following the comments of so many "old" friends. John, Rick, Jonathan, and Mark keep it up brothers!
It's been a while since I was excited like this. Definitely enjoying the new possibilities.
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Randall Cue said:
It has been great following the comments of so many "old" friends. John, Rick, Jonathan, and Mark keep it up brothers!
It's like a Bible software family reunion! ❤️
As I said in an earlier post, Logos is the only Bible software platform I recommend. And I don't say that because I work for them. The fact that I work for Logos is my ultimate endorsement.
Logos is such a great and tremendous platform for Bible study, professional studies, sermon prep, devotional meditation, and so much more. It's been fun to read through these posts and watch all the wonderful discoveries being made about how powerful and capable Logos actually is.
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Senior Publisher Relations Specialist • Logos Bible Software • Rick.Mansfield@logos.com
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Graham Criddle said:
Please post a screenshot showing which tab you are referring to.
Hi Graham,
I am sorry for the delay in my response. Attached is a screenshot of the "Bible" tab, but if I move to any other tab, it basically looks the same. I can attach a screenshot.
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Jonathan Huber said:Kristin said:
I can hardly think straight since 90% of the screen is taken up with this explanation junk
I respectfully disagree with that description.
The info is only there if you haven't done a search on that tab, and I find it really helpful since I don't know all the syntax yet for the search commands. It's nice to have the guides there as a reminder. Hi Jonathan,
That is not the case for me. On my end, if I do a search, I get my results. Then if I leave the tab and come back, that window of tips shows up and that is all I see. I have to press enter AGAIN for it to run the search AGAIN just to get rid of that box.
As an example, look at the screenshot I just posted to Graham. Now I am moving to "Morph" and I have obviously already done this search as I have been talking about the results of it. However, that tip box is there, so the only thing I can do is press enter AGAIN which will re-run the search. I have done this morph search at least 15 times just getting rid of the tip box.
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Frank Jones said:
This thread has been really helpful. Everyone is mentoring one another on how to use the program.
Randall Cue said:It has been great following the comments of so many "old" friends. John, Rick, Jonathan, and Mark keep it up brothers!
Rick Mansfield said:It's like a Bible software family reunion! ❤️
That's how I feel too! [:)]
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John Fidel said:
Did you click on "Compact" to just get the verses?
Hi John,
As you might have seen from my last two screenshots, I don't see anything like that.
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Kristin said:
Attached is a screenshot of the "Bible" tab,
That is a Bible tab within a Search tab/panel. The ability to change the format is just below the book title in the results passages-aligned-grid-analysis-fuzzy and at the far right add version.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kristin said:John Fidel said:
Did you click on "Compact" to just get the verses?
Hi John,
As you might have seen from my last two screenshots, I don't see anything like that.
John is referring to a Passage List panel; you are referring to a search panel.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks for clarifying MJ.
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Kristin said:
That is not the case for me. On my end, if I do a search, I get my results. Then if I leave the tab and come back, that window of tips shows up and that is all I see. I have to press enter AGAIN for it to run the search AGAIN just to get rid of that box.
I think we're struggling with Logosese. It took me a bit to figure out the disappearance.
You're talking within a search tab, and the search-types-line (I made that up)? And yes, you're right ... the search tab only retains in-view results, unless saved out (passage list, export, etc). I solve that by having multiple search tabs. I typically keep 5 in my layout (which retains results as you're wanting).
Your screen capture shows multiple search tabs, so I may be off-base still!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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