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Analysis

Christian Alexander

I understand from a video lecture today that a majority of scholars (not sure who other than Brown or Martyn?) believe that the Gospel of John was written in response to the Johannine church's exile from the synagogue and the subsequent discourse between these two religious groups. I am looking to study John's view of Judaism. A protective and threatened Christian community seeks to reinvent its identity, estranged from the synagogue and its Jewish heritage and embroiled in heated discussion over matters important to both Jews and Christians. The image I see here is vivid and it depicts two sibling logistical religious communities. These were with their own identity difficulties. I asked Bard and Chat GPT this question. How does the synagogue expulsion theory in New Testament Studies for the Gospel of John's historica and sociall origins influence the text's anti-Jewish tone and what sources can be used in this analysis? Neither one was able to answer it.

I know J. Louis Martyn and Raymond Brown were the primary scholars but I want to see newer scholars and their take on the subject. Can Logos help me with this analysis? I would like to know about other related resources that will help me in my studies on this topi.

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MJ. Smith

Okay, I'm going to be blunt. Don't ask us to do your research/analysis/thinking for you. If you can't find the answer it generally means one of two things (a) the information is so esoteric that only directly asking an expert in the field can get you pointed in the right direction (as when I contacted a German scholar with a question regarding the Samaritan cycle of Torah readings - answer: no one has studied the question) or (b) you lack the skill to understand the answer i.e. if you don't know enough to formulate the question/search well, you don't know the topic well enough to understand the articles answering your question. Understanding does not mean being able to parrot back the material using the original vocabulary as in early undergraduate hourlies, midterms, finals ... understanding means being able to paraphrase or summarize in vocabulary know to your audience, especially a non-academic audience.

You already have two major hints to follow appropriate rabbit trails:

Take the authors you know and search for books and articles using their work - footnotes which can point quite precisely to the topic or bibliographies which simply tell you its worth perusing for potential relationships. AND reread the relevant sections in the authors you know looking for the vocabulary that they use in discussing the topic. Try searches based on their specific vocabulary to find later works on the topic.
Look at the references used by the authors you know and follow the procedures above to find who influenced Martyn and Brown, who else they may have influenced, and if that influence leads to others to add to your Martyn-Brown-rabbit-trail-root pile.

Dave Hooton

I am looking to study John's view of Judaism.

AFAIK you have asked about John and Judaism several times, so this aspect should come out of research you have already performed/had answered.

I know J. Louis Martyn and Raymond Brown were the primary scholars but I want to see newer scholars and their take on the subject.

You asked already how to view Search results that were published after 2020. Is that the guideline for your "newer scholars"?

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1305289#Comment_1305289

Okay, I'm going to be blunt. Don't ask us to do your research/analysis/thinking for you. If you can't find the answer it generally means one of two things (a) the information is so esoteric that only directly asking an expert in the field can get you pointed in the right direction (as when I contacted a German scholar with a question regarding the Samaritan cycle of Torah readings - answer: no one has studied the question) or (b) you lack the skill to understand the answer i.e. if you don't know enough to formulate the question/search well, you don't know the topic well enough to understand the articles answering your question. Understanding does not mean being able to parrot back the material using the original vocabulary as in early undergraduate hourlies, midterms, finals ... understanding means being able to paraphrase or summarize in vocabulary know to your audience, especially a non-academic audience.

You already have two major hints to follow appropriate rabbit trails:

Take the authors you know and search for books and articles using their work - footnotes which can point quite precisely to the topic or bibliographies which simply tell you its worth perusing for potential relationships. AND reread the relevant sections in the authors you know looking for the vocabulary that they use in discussing the topic. Try searches based on their specific vocabulary to find later works on the topic.

Look at the references used by the authors you know and follow the procedures above to find who influenced Martyn and Brown, who else they may have influenced, and if that influence leads to others to add to your Martyn-Brown-rabbit-trail-root pile.

Glad someone besides me is FINALLY seeing what Christian has been doing for a long time. I often wonder how many of his research papers whereby the research itself has been done by people on the forum. I think this is a huge misuse of the forum and not keeping within the forum guidelines... And I for one wish Christian would grow up and stop this.

IMHO.... [8-|]

Christian Alexander

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1305290#Comment_1305290

MJ I did not think I was asking you all to do the leg work in my research and analysis. I want to gain the skill to understand the answer but how can I do better at that aspect. I do not have a good library. I do own J. Louis Martyn and Raymond Brown and am working through the footnotes now. Google Scholar has been a little helpful there.

AFAIK you have asked about John and Judaism several times, so this aspect should come out of research you have already performed/had answered.

That is correct but my study has not involved this study yet.

You asked already how to view Search results that were published after 2020. Is that the guideline for your "newer scholars"?

No my guidelines are any scholars after the year 2000. I had it maximized to 2020 because I could not find anything in my research in Google Scholar and Amazon.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1305636#Comment_1305636

I want to gain the skill to understand the answer but how can I do better at that aspect.

You need a teacher or tutor, then. You can't expect Logos forum users to tutor you in research and analysis. MJ has gone out of her way to help you. You seem to have some cognitive limitations that she cannot get past.

I do not have a good library.

You will be limited, then. You have to accept that and not expect other people to use their larger libraries to do research you can't do. You have a voracious curiosity and limited funds to help feed that curiosity. I'm sorry but I don't see a way out of your dilemma.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1305636#Comment_1305636

AFAIK you have asked about John and Judaism several times, so this aspect should come out of research you have already performed/had answered.

That is correct but my study has not involved this study yet.

Yes, but you already know how to research John and Judaism. You need to refine it for this aspect.

Christian Alexander

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1305748#Comment_1305748

I understand Rosie and Dave. Thank you all for trying.