How about a video of a Bible Study facilitator/member using Logos

I challenge Logos to begin advertising using Logos in a small church bible setting. That would be fun ad to watch - showing the laymen how it could be used by essentially anyone including new users.

People who know me realize I have longed for a real world usage not just by professionals in ministry but by the common folk or maybe a seeker - trying to make sense of The Bible.

Thoughts - comments?

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Gerald

Hi

I challenge Logos to begin advertising using Logos in a small church bible setting. That would be fun ad to watch - showing the laymen how it could be used by essentially anyone including new users.

People who know me realize I have longed for a real world usage not just by professionals in ministry but by the common folk or maybe a seeker - trying to make sense of The Bible.

Thoughts - comments?

A few weeks ago I saw in this forum a discussion on how Logos could be expanded to include more church attenders. I can't remember if the thread was recent or if it was one I came across in a search. Several forum members stated they had tried unsuccessfully to get their church members interested in using logos. Even if it were given to them with no cost, there was little interest. Maybe your suggestion would open up more interest.

Mattillo

I 100% agree and I have mentioned this over the years. I understand that Logos was designed for academics but if expansion is the key, they need to start focusing on lay users and small study bible group leaders.

Less datasets and more graphics (better quality and easier ways to find them), charts, collaboration, easy of use, etc.

Rick

A few weeks ago I saw in this forum a discussion on how Logos could be expanded to include more church attenders. I can't remember if the thread was recent or if it was one I came across in a search. Several forum members stated they had tried unsuccessfully to get their church members interested in using logos. Even if it were given to them with no cost, there was little interest. Maybe your suggestion would open up more interest.

It may have been this discussion: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/221688/1290457.aspx#1290457

Gerald

Yes this is the discussion thread I saw.

One thought after reading it again: A fantastically great use of a church wide plan would be the ability to follow along with the preacher's outline, with links to his source material. I could use this after the sermon is finished to continue my study. Maybe Proclaim would be the part that I could do this on. I admit I am not familiar with Proclaim, but what ever the program that connects me to the sermon notes would be worth a lot.

MJ. Smith

Less datasets and more graphics

Interesting in that I see many of the datasets as being specifically for lay users ... things like All the Meals in the Bible reminds me of Halley's Handbook and Wilmington's lists which I think of as essentially for lay users.

A fantastically great use of a church wide plan would be the ability to follow along with the preacher's outline, with links to his source material. I could use this after the sermon is finished to continue my study.

Interesting in that I visualize a sermon as being fed at the table of the Word, a springboard for God to speak directly to me, rather than as a lesson for study.

David Thomas

the ability to follow along with the preacher's outline, with links to his source material. I could use this after the sermon is finished to continue my study. Maybe Proclaim would be the part that I could do this on. I admit I am not familiar with Proclaim, but what ever the program that connects me to the sermon notes would be worth a lot.

If the preacher uses Proclaim well (setting signals to follow his points) and the congregant has the Faithlife Study Bible App open, the FSB app will follow the Pastor while having hyperlinked resources for the congregant to go on "bunny trails" or research deeper at a later time.

the middle of this screen shows the signals that the speaker sends to listeners who are following. the red circle 1 in the top middle of the pic shows that there is one person actively following the presentation.

The user has a chance to accept or reject an invitation to follow a nearby presentation.

If the invitation is accepted, a small blue box appears in the lower lefthand corner of the panel

the signals from the preacher pop up in real time and the listener can choose to pop over and look at that verse, or stay in the main text.

If the listener has 2 panes open (example is Bible and Study Bible) the linked Study Bible resources are available.

Once the user has a free FSB account, he/she has access to a currated set of resources. Once the preferred version is purchased (if not included in the FSB account) and downloaded to the device, following is even quicker.

Our digital signage in the lobby and Fellowship Hall has a QR code to get on the church's wifi, and another code to download the app to their device.

Our pre-service loop of slides also has an invitation to download the app and follow along.

Graham Criddle

I challenge Logos to begin advertising using Logos in a small church bible setting. That would be fun ad to watch - showing the laymen how it could be used by essentially anyone including new users.

I think before that challenge could be taken up it would be important to have a clear understanding of what such a group requires and how it is to be facilitated. My sense is that there are many different approaches to this type of group study and what might work for one might not work for another (but I could be wrong).

What sort of functionality do you see as being essential to demonstrate?

David Thomas

I have longed for a real world usage not just by professionals in ministry but by the common folk

This MAY be something you could offer to assist your Pastor in your current church and create a niche that you could fill as an Associate Pastor. Depending upon how early in the week your Pastor does his sermon prep, I try to have my preaching outline done by Wednesday and my manuscript by Thursday so that my ministry assistant can do all the posting, photocopying, and distributing on Friday. All of the examples below in this thread are done in a Kansas church (average attendance in the 80s) with one full-time employee (me) and a 25-hour per week ministry assistant/secretary.

Paul Gibson

Í don't think Logos as-is would well-received if someone tried to roll it out to a whole church. Most people simply wouldn't be interested, and it would likely overwhelm those who were interested in moving from paper to electronic Bibles. What I would like to see is Faithlife release an app that is a combination of Logos Lite and make it a social media app for Churches. It should allow pastors to share their sermon slides (which I believe Faithlife Bible Study app does), and be able to access Logos resources (but not have all the Logos features). The critical features would be allowing the members of the church to communicate easily. Prayer lists could be setup for different groups in the church. Calendars could be setup for different teams. Each small group could have their own private chat area. The goal of the app should be to connect a community of believers, whereas the goal of Logos is to make it easy for a user to have access to a vast amount of information. When a user wants more resources and features, all that would be needed is to switch Logos; any resources previously purchased would continue to work.

DMB

Í don't think Logos as-is would well-received if someone tried to roll it out to a whole church. Most people simply wouldn't be interested, and it would likely overwhelm those who were interested in moving from paper to electronic Bibles. What I would like to see is Faithlife release an app that is a combination of Logos Lite and make it a social media app for Churches.

That's what they should have done years back. The problem is (1) people also want a mobile Logos, (2) a mobile Proclaim functionality, and (3) FL likes to be non-standard (confusing). It's too bad their 'social media was so poorly executed; it could have been a great church tool as you describe.

JoshInRI

I revisited this thread today. I wish Logos was less "academic" and more geared for the common man/woman sitting in a bible study looking for education and to share efficiently and quickly. We need a "Bible study" track with easy instruction for everyday users.

Graham Criddle

I revisited this thread today. I wish Logos was less "academic" and more geared for the common man/woman sitting in a bible study looking for education and to share efficiently and quickly. We need a "Bible study" track with easy instruction for everyday users.

As per my earlier post please provide a few details as to what you think that should look like - as I expect there are different views on what would be required.

John Fidel

I think the new insights panel is a move in the direction of simplicity for bible study. Open the Bible text and then open the insights panel.

You do not need to open guides or other panels, just set your prioritized study bible so it opens at the top of the insights panel.

Not sure who this is available to at this time, but check it out and see if it works for your study.