Please provide an option to turn off Insights Panel

Whenever I open a new Bible, the Insights Panel is automatically displayed. I realize that this is a new feature that you want everyone to know about, so having the display "on" by default makes sense.

When I worked for Accordance, we faced exactly the same situation when we introduced the Info Pane, which is somewhat similar. We made the decision to have it display by default, but gave users the option to turn it off if they desired. It was definitely the right decision. Most users opted to keep it on, but many users (especially long-time users) wanted control over the display.

Please consider giving users this option before the beta goes to release.

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Christian Alexander

I concur Mark. This is a great idea and needs to be put in place. This will be very helpful for all users. You have my vote.

Dave Hooton

Please consider giving users this option before the beta goes to release.

Since the idea of the new Resource toolbar (for Books) was to make functions easier to find, what could be clearer than Insights displayed on the "Home" button (Summarize is not!). There should be an option.

Note there is a bug with Change Book as Insights will be displayed for a bible which will not otherwise show it when opened.

Frank Sauer

Most users opted to keep it on, but many users (especially long-time users) wanted control over the display.

Please consider giving users this option before the beta goes to release.

Hopefully the option is considered for all changes to UI and functionality - forcing long time users to completely change their study format is not a good plan.

Mark Barnes (Logos)

Although this is on by default, Bibles should remember your preference, so if you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible.

Mark Allison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310289#Comment_1310289

Although this is on by default, Bibles should remember your preference, so if you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible.

So, how many Bibles does Logos have?

Matt Hamrick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310289#Comment_1310289

Although this is on by default, Bibles should remember your preference, so if you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible.

So Mark how do I turn this off on Mobile?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310289#Comment_1310289

Although this is on by default, Bibles should remember your preference, so if you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible.

Mark

It is a plain annoyance to turn off a feature that is not wanted. Even worse, is turning it off several times depending how a bible was opened. The new panel provides ample visibility via the Home button.

Mark Barnes (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310290#Comment_1310290

Although this is on by default, Bibles should remember your preference, so if you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible.

So, how many Bibles does Logos have?

The more relevant question is, "How many Bibles do you use?".

Mark Barnes (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310297#Comment_1310297

So Mark how do I turn this off on Mobile?

On mobile, the Insights panel will only open if you long press a word or double-tap a verse/sentence. You can then close it by tapping the X.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310739#Comment_1310739

So Mark how do I turn this off on Mobile?

On mobile, the Insights panel will only open if you long press a word or double-tap a verse/sentence. You can then close it by tapping the X.

That's true for the panel itself - but not the insights "button" that floats over the text.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310738#Comment_1310738

So, how many Bibles does Logos have?

The more relevant question is, "How many Bibles do you use?".

That is rather trite. The issue is that one must do it (sometimes more than once), and there will be times when less frequently used bibles are opened.

Stephen Steele

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310831#Comment_1310831

I think we need a global setting to stop this panel appearing

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1313747#Comment_1313747

I think we need a global setting to stop this panel appearing

Agree. The Insights Panel is more an irritation than a help.

John W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1313775#Comment_1313775

I really like it for its quick easy access to helpful resources without thinking to open something.

Anna Adent

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1313775#Comment_1313775

I think we need a global setting to stop this panel appearing

Agree. The Insights Panel is more an irritation than a help.

Thanks for your feedback, Jack and Stephen. I have created a request for this: https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/ability-to-turn-insights-panel-off-on (Sorry for the long link, I'm unable to hyperlink at the moment)

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1310289#Comment_1310289

if you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible.

Please understand that this is just not true. At the very least you need to modify this statement for clarity, saying: "If you close Insights on a specific Bible, it should not re-open next time you open that Bible in that same layout, as long as you remember to save the layout afterwards."

I use several layouts, and I often do not like to save my layouts after using them, because I have them set up in a default format that I enjoy. Just now I tested a layout that I use frequently, and the insights panel opened with my top Bible, even though I must have closed it at least dozen times from this layout.

I think I am beginning to understand how this works. Initially, I took your word for it that I just had to close the insights panel once and that would be that. So I have been a bit confused as to why it wasn't working for me as intended. Now I think I understand. By not saving my layouts, they revert back to their initial settings and forget that I closed the insights panel.

So the solution for me (presumably) would be to open each of my layouts, then open all of the Bibles that I frequently use and close the insights panel. Then save the layout so that my adjustments will be remembered. Of course every time I open a different bible or work with a new layout I will have to repeat these unnecessary and unwanted steps. This is not fun for me.

Ok, that's all for my rant. The main thing I want you to understand from all of this is that the solution for me (and likely many others) is not as nice as you try to make it sound.

Mark Barnes (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315288#Comment_1315288

I use several layouts, and I often do not like to save my layouts after using them, because I have them set up in a default format that I enjoy. Just now I tested a layout that I use frequently, and the insights panel opened with my top Bible, even though I must have closed it at least dozen times from this layout.

Oh, that's interesting. I think we might be getting to the bottom of why you especially dislike the behavior.

I'll need to test this, but it looks like perhaps:

You saved a layout before we shipped the Insights preference.
You opened a Bible and closed Insights. Logos remembers that preference for the next time you open the Bible.
Because Insights opens by default, and there's no Insights preference with this layout, Logos opens Insights because the layout "preference" overrides what you did last time. (Except in your case, there is no "preference" because you saved the layout a long time ago.)

I can see how that would be very annoying. I suspect the workaround you suggested will fix the problem, but you shouldn't need to go to that trouble. We'll look into getting it fixed.

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315354#Comment_1315354

Because Insights opens by default, and there's no Insights preference with this layout, Logos opens Insights because the layout "preference" overrides what you did last time. (Except in your case, there is no "preference" because you saved the layout a long time ago.)

Yes, if there were only one preference that was never changed or overruled by any layout setting, I expect (hope) the problem would quickly disappear. Currently, I am overwhelmed by the feeling that there are over a dozen layout setting preferences on dozens of bibles. It's not just my custom layouts, but the preset layouts as well. If I recall correctly, switching to one of those layouts resets the preference. Thank you for trying to understand my situation. I feel like we're making progress. [:)]

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315364#Comment_1315364

I feel like this discussion highlights the importance of default settings. I think layouts may be the problem with the current implementation of the insights sidebar that was not initially given proper consideration when the decision was made to have it open by default for every Bible.

Even if I solve my problem now with the current Bibles I use, I may decide in the future that I want to additionally start using a new translation. If I make this decision, I will have to go through every one of my layouts to adjust my preferences for that Bible by closing the insights sidebar and saving the layout.

Typically, layouts are built by adding tabs/panels/sidebars/etc. This is natural, because everyone has a unique set of preferences for what they want/need. It is truly counterintuitive to have to remember to subtract a sidebar when building a layout (and do that multiple times for multiple Bibles).

I have absolutely nothing against the insights sidebar. I want to love it. But I can't for as long as it continues by default to stick its nose into my workflow where it doesn't belong.

Antony Brennan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315259#Comment_1315259

I think we need a global setting to stop this panel appearing

I have created a request for this: https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/ability-to-turn-insights-panel-off-on (Sorry for the long link, I'm unable to hyperlink at the moment)

If you want a global setting to turn Inisghts off click the link and vote.

Justin Gatlin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315540#Comment_1315540

This does seem kind of obvious to me. In what use case would someone want insights in one translation but not another? I don't understand why a global setting isn't plan A.

John

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315547#Comment_1315547

This thread has been very insightful [H]

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315547#Comment_1315547

This does seem kind of obvious to me. In what use case would someone want insights in one translation but not another? I don't understand why a global setting isn't plan A.

I've been wondering the same thing as I view all the comments regarding this issue....

I've actually been trying to talk myself into at least giving Logos a chance with the new model and pay for the two years - in hope that I will be pleasantly surprised....

However, this issue and more so the fact that it sounds like they are going to force me as a long time user to change my use with the new toolbar are leaving me in doubt that it is worth it.... I do NOT want to have to change my method of use and study to appease the potential attraction to new and non power users....

If they fix this insights issue and allow an option with the toolbar, since after all they are keeping the traditional for non subscribers - I'd consider continuing to talk myself into giving them a chance to impress me... Forcing me to change my use and make it less efficient is not impressing!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315608#Comment_1315608

... since after all they are keeping the traditional for non subscribers -

They're worried that us non-subscribers might subscribe. It's a serious risk.

Actually, if FL is like many companies, an influential participant is insisting 'too much forum input'. Concentrate on new markets.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1315608#Comment_1315608

I do NOT want to have to change my method of use and study to appease the potential attraction to new and non power users....

Thank you for making this explicit. It makes it much easier for me to understand many of your comments.

Vincent Holloway

How do I disable insights on the mobile app?

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1371250#Comment_1371250

This is not possible.

Vincent Holloway

Many Thanks 🙃