36.0 (36.0.733) is now available
The Logos Bible Study application version 36.0 is now available to all users.
To immediately update to the current stable version, enter Update Now into the command box. Otherwise, the app will automatically update the next time it is scheduled to check for updates.
What's new in Logos v36?
Read an overview of the most important improvements.
Watch a demo of the new and improved features (and a preview of what's coming next)
Or read the detailed release notes.
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Savanna Lineberger said:
To immediately update to the current stable version, enter Update Now into the command box.
'tisn't working for me 'No updates found' :-(
I'll try the Download Link.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Mine updated no probs. I have been looking forward to this release for a while.
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Let's go! This is a great release.
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It works for me properly.
Blessings in Christ.
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Downloaded fine. Summarizing is not working.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Looks like my complex layouts close much faster than before. [:D]
Maybe others could test this, too.
Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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Thanks kids, I'm liking that Factbook update... looks good!
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If I link Factbook to my bible and then open the commentary section it populates by book. If I choose by type it sorts by type, When I change verses in the bible it goes back to sorting by book. Please have this remember my selection for each layout.
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IMO this is a really great update. Very well done. I didn't think I would get excited about frequent updates vs purchasing every two years. But I'm realizing I was wrong. Unexpectedly, I do find it exciting. A minor (probably not entirely avoidable) disadvantage with the path forward is that each release will likely feel like a more refined beta period for the first couple weeks or so as additional bugs get sorted out. This is to be expected, since under the previous model there was significantly more time to discover and fix all those annoying bugs that love to attach themselves to software.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
IMO this is a really great update. Very well done. I didn't think I would get excited about frequent updates vs purchasing every two years. But I'm realizing I was wrong. Unexpectedly, I do find it exciting.
I rejoice with you, Aaron.
Blessings in Christ.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
This is to be expected, since under the previous model there was significantly more time to discover and fix all those annoying bugs that love to attach themselves to software.
Conversely, a regular 2-year release cycle can be a problem when companies are rushing to finish a major feature in time for a scheduled release and feel compelled to release it even if it's not quite ready. Re-setting expectations to a 6wk cycle with smaller changes and occasional big ones is good for everyone.
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Jonathan Huber said:
Conversely, a regular 2-year release cycle can be a problem when companies are rushing to finish a major feature in time for a scheduled release and feel compelled to release it even if it's not quite ready. Re-setting expectations to a 6wk cycle with smaller changes and occasional big ones is good for everyone.
True. These current times are probably quite difficult for Logos developers in some ways, because they're trying to impress with a big "Logos 11" upcoming release date while working towards the future 6wk cycle. I'm sure things will settle down soon and there will be ample time to test features, big and small, before releasing them as a stable version. Small updates will likely be released quicker, while larger updates may require multiple cycles of beta testing to allow ample time for refinement. Transitions are always difficult.
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I don't mind the occasional major release, but I personally prefer software that evolves more consistently over time.
I think as well, when you roll a major software release out, a lot of things compete initially for attention and so things have to wait a long time before refinement is added to some features.
A good example of this is the new dynamic resource toolbar. Because we have been able to test it on the web app, and now the beta app, we are able to give input which allows them to get it mostly right before it is delivered in a stable version. The alternative would be to wait until Logos 11, whatever they call it, and then we are mildly shocked or surprised in how close they got it to something users were ready for.
Obviously every approach has its pluses and minuses... 🤷♂️
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Aaron Hamilton said:
I didn't think I would get excited about frequent updates vs purchasing every two years.
The 6 week cycle has been with us for several years (now with one week rest). The difference has been that new features were released from Logos v32 for Logos Pro/Early Access users as the basis for the new Subscription system (aka "Logos 11"). And the new/improved features continue from there, every 7 weeks. You will be more excited as a subscriber, but the non-subscriber continues to have improvements/bug fixes and updates that keep them current with OS releases.
Aaron Hamilton said:A minor (probably not entirely avoidable) disadvantage with the path forward is that each release will likely feel like a more refined beta period for the first couple weeks or so as additional bugs get sorted out.
True, but this has been the case for some time. Subscribers will refine the new features, but it is better to be involved in the Beta testing.
I think v37 will be released with a new Resource toolbar in time for the Fall Subscription introduction.
Aaron Hamilton said:This is to be expected, since under the previous model there was significantly more time to discover and fix all those annoying bugs that love to attach themselves to software.
The previous model was a concentrated 3-4 month Private Beta with commercial pressure to release by a set date (and not reveal the new UI in screenshots!). . Bugs and features took several months to fix/complete following the release.
Dave
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Thanks, Dave, for elaborating on my statements. Last week was my first week participating in beta testing. Obviously the closer one is to the release date, the more bugs one will encounter. I didn't buy the Logos 10 full feature set until well after it was released. With the new subscription model, there will be a lot more users immediately exposed to all bugs that are currently present after a release. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. But it might put more pressure on the team immediately following a release than was the case under the previous model, where users trickled in as they upgraded.
Again, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience as one who has been involved in the betterment of Logos for so long.
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This is different than past versions—usually the box area would reflect just a blank gray area. Is this a bug?
Mac OS 12.7.6 (Intel)
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Dave Hooton said:
And the new/improved features continue from there, every 7 weeks.
Every six weeks.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/222849/1298143.aspx#1298143
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
And the new/improved features continue from there, every 7 weeks.
Every six weeks.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/222849/1298143.aspx#1298143
How will this time be different from when you tried this with Logos Now?
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I wondered this as well. I was a Logos Now subscriber in the first week that it was offered, and then I watched it's demise slip into the debacle that turned out to be Faithlife Essentials (no library).
My theory of what is different is that Logos has removed a lot from their company portfolio and have gone back to their primary business. I recall on these forums some of us expressed concerns about how many things Logos was diversifying into, when core things in the Bible software needed bad attention.
But you are correct, if they are charging me a rolling subscription indefinitely and it is much as it was before, this will not be a great development.
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Savanna Lineberger said:
The Logos Bible Study application version 36.0 is now available to all users.
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"... And do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength." (Ne 8.10)
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Yesterday I switched to Android 14 and I'm subscribed to Pro.
The Logos Web App doesn't show the insights bar (but Factbook shows lenses).
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Sean said:Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
And the new/improved features continue from there, every 7 weeks.
Every six weeks.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/222849/1298143.aspx#1298143
How will this time be different from when you tried this with Logos Now?
The 6 week schedule has been implemented for a long time now.
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Sean said:Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
And the new/improved features continue from there, every 7 weeks.
Every six weeks.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/222849/1298143.aspx#1298143
How will this time be different from when you tried this with Logos Now?
The focus now is on subscription. New features in Logos Now would be available to purchase with the major releases like Logos 8 etc. See https://community.logos.com/forums/t/128846.aspx
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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JT (alabama24) said:Sean said:
How will this time be different from when you tried this with Logos Now?
The 6 week schedule has been implemented for a long time now.
The point is one of the original selling points with Logos Now was new features every 6 weeks (or at least regularly). And then that got dropped when they switched to FL Connect, which didn't promise nearly as much. What I'm wondering is how they will sustain regular new feature roll outs when they couldn't before.
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Sean said:
What I'm wondering is how they will sustain regular new feature roll outs when they couldn't before.
That is a good point. The only promise I saw is:
No waiting for new features
You’ll get to try them as they’re ready, no 2-year delay.
(my emphasis)
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Sean said:
The point is one of the original selling points with Logos Now was new features every 6 weeks (or at least regularly). And then that got dropped when they switched to FL Connect, which didn't promise nearly as much. What I'm wondering is how they will sustain regular new feature roll outs when they couldn't before.
It's a matter of priority. It is a priority now, whereas it wasn't before. It will not be difficult for them to sustain roll outs every 6 weeks, but it would be unrealistic to expect these roll outs to be flashy and exciting every time. Many releases will likely include little more than small adjustments and bug fixes. I have little doubt that many of the flashy and exciting features being released now and in the near future are tied to the upcoming "Logos 11" release. Once they have that behind them, they'll probably be playing catch up, fixing bugs and fine tuning all of the new features.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
I have little doubt that many of the flashy and exciting features being released now and in the near future are tied to the upcoming "Logos 11" release. Once they have that behind them, they'll probably be playing catch up, fixing bugs and fine tuning all of the new features.
This is ambiguous. Are you stating that features in the "near future" of the next two years will not be as exciting as those released by the "upcoming Logos 11" in the Fall? That they will merely be bug fixes and fine tuning?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
This is ambiguous. Are you stating that features in the "near future" of the next two years will not be as exciting as those released by the "upcoming Logos 11" in the Fall? That they will merely be bug fixes and fine tuning?
Sorry. Mere speculation, but let me try again. I am saying we're currently in a phase of exciting releases. At least, it feels that way to me. I anticipate version 37 to be exciting as well when it releases in 6 weeks ("near future"), at least for me. I think the reason for these exciting releases is because they want to have a fun and successful official launch of the "Logos 11" subscription model in October. I am saying that after they have released these features and completed the launch they will likely have their plates full with bug fixes and tweaks to all these new features. I don't anticipate any big, surprising new feature releases until at least early next year for that reason. Don't get me wrong, I don't even want "exciting" releases all the time. I much prefer a smooth, quick, stable software program to an "exciting" glitchy one. I WANT them to prioritize small adjustments and bug fixes.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
I have little doubt that many of the flashy and exciting features being released now and in the near future are tied to the upcoming "Logos 11" release. Once they have that behind them, they'll probably be playing catch up, fixing bugs and fine tuning all of the new features.
My expectations are that the re-envisioning of Factbook and the simplification/updating of the user interface will continue far beyond the fall release of new libraries. I expect the fall release to be libraries only with the features development continuing has it has since the development moved out of the bug-killing backlog phase.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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