Official: More details about the coming subscription launch
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Berechiah said:
Have you any ideas if the print library will be available after 2 years of subscription to max
Will it be a feature I can keep? Non ai side of course...
Can you ahead any light at all
It's unlikely, to be honest. Print Library works entirely in the cloud, and is therefore likely to be excluded.
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michael franklin said:
Also, in your "what's new with Logos-Aug 2024" you mentioned a spreadsheet with more detailed breakdown of features for different packages that you would post on the chat. I can't find the chat so I would appreciate a link to where I could find that. Thanks!
That's available here.
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michael franklin said:
Can you give link to new libraries available to buy with free trial/subscription? I saw offer when signing up initially but can't find it now.
Those are here.
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Will there be access to theological journals including in the max subscription for people that are in school?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Berechiah said:
Have you any ideas if the print library will be available after 2 years of subscription to max
Will it be a feature I can keep? Non ai side of course...
Can you ahead any light at all
It's unlikely, to be honest. Print Library works entirely in the cloud, and is therefore likely to be excluded.
But people who have bought the L10 Full Features will still have access to Print Library even if we don't subscribe, am I right?
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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1Cor10 31 said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Berechiah said:
Have you any ideas if the print library will be available after 2 years of subscription to max
Will it be a feature I can keep? Non ai side of course...
Can you ahead any light at all
It's unlikely, to be honest. Print Library works entirely in the cloud, and is therefore likely to be excluded.
But people who have bought the L10 Full Features will still have access to Print Library even if we don't subscribe, am I right?
This definitely needs to be clarified for those who have already purchased the Full Feature Set which included this feature.
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1Cor10 31 said:
But people who have bought the L10 Full Features will still have access to Print Library even if we don't subscribe, am I right?
Correct. I likely won't be part of the legacy fallback license, but we won't remove it from the L10 licenses.
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Phelix Lockhart said:
Will there be access to theological journals including in the max subscription for people that are in school?
There are some journals included in the Logos Max subscription (click the + next to "Included books"), but many of them are public domain.
Galaxie's journal subscription can be added for $5/month.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">But people who have bought the L10 Full Features will still have access to Print Library even if we don't subscribe, am I right?
Correct. I likely won't be part of the legacy fallback license, but we won't remove it from the L10 licenses.
Thank you for the confirmation. Appreciate it very much.
I think that if you want to drive sales of L10 Full Feature Set (which I think you do because you are offering steep discounts right now), you should really highlight the no-AI/cloud features in the L10 Full Feature Set that will not be part of Legacy Fallback option in Oct 2026. When people see that features like Print Library and others will not be included, existing customers and new customers will rush to buy the L10 Full Feature set.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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I too would possibly be interested in paying for two years upfront for legacy fallback (assuming it's also at a discounted rate). I just signed up to early access for Pro and only option was to pay $99 for annual with charge Oct 3rd after free trial. Is that being set up and how would I make the change?Will the discounted subscription rate continue for the foreseeable future and will it be an equivalent discount?
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michael franklin said:
I too would possibly be interested in paying for two years upfront for legacy fallback (assuming it's also at a discounted rate). I just signed up to early access for Pro and only option was to pay $99 for annual with charge Oct 3rd after free trial. Is that being set up and how would I make the change?
Our dev team need to do some work to make multi-year purchase possible. Hopefully, we'll get to that before launch, but I can't guarantee that.
michael franklin said:Will the discounted subscription rate continue for the foreseeable future and will it be an equivalent discount?
We're effectively running two pricing tracks – the standard track plus the discounted track. Once you're on the discounted track, you'll stay on it. But the price of either track could change in the future.
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So if I'm interested in multi-year purchase should I just look into whether it's been set up before my free trial ends Oct 3rd and $99 payment is made? Where do you suggest I look for this? One more thing, when will Bible Study Builder be available? It looks great! Today was my first day using free trial and I really like the new features. Thanks for your help.
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Dear Mark, thanks for all your work here. I looked at the features chart and, possibly besides the ones not yet released, I seem to have everything on the "Max" tier already.I mean, the only things missing from the "full feature" are some bible versions that I don't need and the 'print catalogue' feature that gets my attention, but is not enough for me to buy because of future subscription tiers.
I'm especially interested in language resources. So, my questions are:
- what would I gain from subscribing in terms of resources and features in the "Max" tier that I don't have?
- I read about features for Syriac, Coptic and other languages. Maybe I'm mistaken, but there's none on the list provided. What would those features be?
- Translation features or resources on ancient languages would be very good. Will there be features or extra resources on Syriac, Akkadian, Ugaritic etc?
- Is there a more complete list of resources, features etc on each tier?
I'm asking because the window on buying the "full feature set" is closing fast.
Thanks and God bless.
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Is there any available information about the "Bible study builder" feature? That caught my attention! Any previews?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We've also had lots of questions about pricing. We’re working out final pricing for everyone, but we can confirm what the discounted pricing will be for Logos 10 owners:
- Premium: $6.99/month or $69.99/year (for those with Bronze features or higher)
- Pro: $9.99/month or $99.99/year (for those with Silver features or higher)
- Max: $12.99/month or $129.99/year (requires Full Feature Set)
Hi Mark,
In a couple of days, I’m scheduled to be charged for what appears to be a “Logos Pro” subscription. I own the “Logos 10 Collector’s Edition” including the “Full Feature Upgrade.”
Will I have the option to subscribe to “Logos Max”?
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michael franklin said:
So if I'm interested in multi-year purchase should I just look into whether it's been set up before my free trial ends Oct 3rd and $99 payment is made? Where do you suggest I look for this?
I'll try to find out.
michael franklin said:One more thing, when will Bible Study Builder be available? It looks great! Today was my first day using free trial and I really like the new features. Thanks for your help.
It's planned for v37, which will hit beta next week and be released to everyone toward the end of October.
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Mateus de Castro said:
Is there any available information about the "Bible study builder" feature? That caught my attention! Any previews?
We do a What's New in Logos webinar every release, which demos the features just released and includes a sneak preview of what's coming next. The August edition does a quick preview of Bible Study Builder at around 35 minutes.
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Otto S. Carroll said:
In a couple of days, I’m scheduled to be charged for what appears to be a “Logos Pro” subscription. I own the “Logos 10 Collector’s Edition” including the “Full Feature Upgrade.”
Will I have the option to subscribe to “Logos Max”?
This is not a Logos Pro subscription. It's your Faithlife Connect subscription which has had Logos Pro features added into it.
While you can subscribe to Max in addition, that might not be cost-effective for you, as there's likely not a lot of extra value given you already have L10 Collectors (and no extra features above Pro). Once your Connect subscription has been fully migrated to the new subscription (which will happen in the fall), you'll then be able to easily switch to Max.
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Hi Mark,
First of all, thank you for being so supportive before as MVP and now as a Logos employee.
I have a question regarding language subscriptions. I will finish my trial period for the Pro in about 10 days. I have the FF in Spanish and Silver package in L10. As there is no info about prices and what’s included in the Spanish one, it will be possible moving from languages? My understanding is that features should be the same but not the books included in the subscription, right? Now I have an annual subscription (1st payment around September the 15th), it will be possible to move for example in December to the Spanish one without starting a new annual subscription? Did you recommend to cancel my subscription during the trial period and then decide once the Spanish one is launched officially? I know this is quite particular case, but I know several people are in a similar situation and don’t know what to do.
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Mark, I have no questions... no criticisms... no concerns.
What I do have is immense appreciation for the way you have dealt with all the posts (here AND in other threads) that have raised legitimate questions, criticisms, and concerns as your customers have tried to get a handle on how we will be affected by this change to a subscription model.
Your patience and grace have been a blessing, and for me, the content of your replies has been very helpful.
Thank you!
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I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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I agree with what Rick wrote, thanks Mark!
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Rick Ausdahl said:
Mark, I have no questions... no criticisms... no concerns.
What I do have is immense appreciation for the way you have dealt with all the posts (here AND in other threads) that have raised legitimate questions, criticisms, and concerns as your customers have tried to get a handle on how we will be affected by this change to a subscription model.
Your patience and grace have been a blessing, and for me, the content of your replies has been very helpful.
Thank you!
I too agree with what Rick has written - Thanks Mark!
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Ditto! Well said, Rick.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
This is not a Logos Pro subscription. It's your Faithlife Connect subscription which has had Logos Pro features added into it.
While you can subscribe to Max in addition, that might not be cost-effective for you, as there's likely not a lot of extra value given you already have L10 Collectors (and no extra features above Pro). Once your Connect subscription has been fully migrated to the new subscription (which will happen in the fall), you'll then be able to easily switch to Max.
Great! Thanks Mark!
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Removing my question since I found the answer in an earlier post.
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1Cor10 31 said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">But people who have bought the L10 Full Features will still have access to Print Library even if we don't subscribe, am I right?
Correct. I likely won't be part of the legacy fallback license, but we won't remove it from the L10 licenses.
Thank you for the confirmation. Appreciate it very much.
I think that if you want to drive sales of L10 Full Feature Set (which I think you do because you are offering steep discounts right now), you should really highlight the no-AI/cloud features in the L10 Full Feature Set that will not be part of Legacy Fallback option in Oct 2026. When people see that features like Print Library and others will not be included, existing customers and new customers will rush to buy the L10 Full Feature set.
Somehow I missed this post or it didn't register in my mind. This is exactly what I was hoping to get clarification on.
The advantage of buying the Logos 10 FFS is that I get to keep ALL the features listed as part of Logos 10.
A new subscriber who currently does not own it and subscribes for two years will get the Fallback license but will be missing some things.
A permanent license, yes, but not quite as good as buying Logos 10 FFS now.
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Jesús Polaino said:
I will finish my trial period for the Pro in about 10 days. I have the FF in Spanish and Silver package in L10. As there is no info about prices and what’s included in the Spanish one, it will be possible moving from languages?
Yes, it will be possible.
You can take an annual English subscription now and then switch to a Spanish subscription once they are launched. Any remaining time on your English subscription will be transferred to the Spanish one (or pro-rated if you choose a differently-priced tier).
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Rick Ausdahl said:
Your patience and grace have been a blessing, and for me, the content of your replies has been very helpful.
Well said Rick.
Blessings in Christ.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
When does this start? If I subscribe now, do I get the discount immediately?
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John said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
When does this start? If I subscribe now, do I get the discount immediately?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Next, let me say something more about perks that we'll include when the subscription is fully launched.
- We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
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Where can I see the actual books included in the three levels so I can decide which one I want?
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David Leslein said:
Where can I see the actual books included in the three levels so I can decide which one I want?
It’s on the subscription page. See below.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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I forgot to include the link https://www.logos.com/early-access/subscriptions
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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John said:
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:As you probably know, in the fall, we'll launch the next version of Logos as a subscription.
But concerning that day and hour ...
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With less than two weeks to go until the last chance sale is gone for good, I feel like it's worth asking about prices again. With the LFL officially not included in the subscription for those who do not own the full feature set, I expect the non-discounted pricing has been significantly recalibrated. Will these prices be revealed before the sale is over?
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Aaron Hamilton said:
With less than two weeks to go until the last chance sale is gone for good, I feel like it's worth asking about prices again. With the LFL officially not included in the subscription for those who do not own the full feature set, I expect the non-discounted pricing has been significantly recalibrated. Will these prices be revealed before the sale is over?
Yes. We'll be confirming pricing very soon.
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Hi Aaron,Aaron Hamilton said:With less than two weeks to go until the last chance sale is gone for good, I feel like it's worth asking about prices again. With the LFL officially not included in the subscription for those who do not own the full feature set, I expect the non-discounted pricing has been significantly recalibrated. Will these prices be revealed before the sale is over?
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I did not know about MAX. I was offered Logos PRO early release. I have Logos PRO early release.
I have the full feature set logos 10 and I have the logos 10 GOLD package.
Please let me know if I qualify for MAX and what benefits are there.
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Steve Fowler said:
I did not know about MAX. I was offered Logos PRO early release. I have Logos PRO early release.
I have the full feature set logos 10 and I have the logos 10 GOLD package.
Please let me know if I qualify for MAX and what benefits are there.
Hi, Steve.
You definitely qualify. The only difference right now is you get 100 books more than Pro. Max features will be coming in future in the area of original languages. You will also get to keep any non-AI and non-Cloud features after two years as well.
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Steven MacDonald said:Steve Fowler said:
I did not know about MAX. I was offered Logos PRO early release. I have Logos PRO early release.
I have the full feature set logos 10 and I have the logos 10 GOLD package.
Please let me know if I qualify for MAX and what benefits are there.
Hi, Steve.
You definitely qualify. The only difference right now is you get 100 books more than Pro. Max features will be coming in future in the area of original languages. You will also get to keep any non-AI and non-Cloud features after two years as well.
A two-year subscription entitles you to own the features.
Blessings in Christ.
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Steve Fowler said:
what benefits are there.
Steve Fowler said:Please let me know
Hi Steve
As I understand it the benefits of Max are the extra resources to a facilitate the study of original languages in some depth.
I am afraid that reading these forum I fear that some folk are going for 'Max' in order to have 'Max' rather than because they actually need 'Max'.
So if you are a student of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic etc in context then Max is for you. If not then spending the extra money to get Max is just profligate.
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Mike Binks said:Steve Fowler said:
what benefits are there.
Steve Fowler said:Please let me know
Hi Steve
As I understand it the benefits of Max are the extra resources to a facilitate the study of original languages in some depth.
I am afraid that reading these forum I fear that some folk are going for 'Max' in order to have 'Max' rather than because they actually need 'Max'.
So if you are a student of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic etc in context then Max is for you. If not then spending the extra money to get Max is just profligate.
Very good counsel.... I also believe that some are jumping in for the sake of having Max rather than needing the tools they would be paying for
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Frank Sauer said:
Very good counsel.... I also believe that some are jumping in for the sake of having Max rather than needing the tools they would be paying for
If you already have the L10 Full Feature Set, the price for Max isn't that much more. I signed up for it as insurance for the LFL in case they offer any special tools just for that level in the next 2 years--which Mark indicated they might.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
With the LFL officially not included in the subscription for those who do not own the full feature set,
Not so. Those who do not own any library package/feature set are excluded - see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/225226.aspx
Dave
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Angela Schira said:
I understand that denominational libraries come out in 2025, but I see Verbum as different from that. Will Verbum still exist as a separate entity, ie will there be a Verbum subscription plan that we could choose instead of the Logos Subscription? If so, will that happen at launch in 2024 or will we have to wait for that?
Thanks for the question. Yes, I should have mentioned that in my initial post.
Verbum subscriptions and Verbum libraries will launch at the same time as the Logos subscriptions and standard libraries, in the fall.
Mark,
I purchased both Logos !0 Ultimate and Verbum 10 Ultimate to gain access to all the books. Will I need both Logos subscription AND a Verbum subscription, or will my current Logos Max subscription suffice for both?
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