Official: Early access updates and subscription pricing
Thanks so much for your patience as we’ve been preparing for the new era of Logos! Today I’ve got two big updates to share with you:
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Early access is closing (and a thank you!)
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Pricing details
First, on early access:
We’re closing early access to our new subscriptions on October 4 to get everything prepped for when we fully launch subscriptions in the fall. If you’re already on early access, no action is required. Your subscription will continue without any interruption.
On the topic of perks, we shared in prior posts about a 5% reward coupon that’s based on your previous year’s spend. If you’ve already started a subscription, we’re showing our appreciation by retroactively starting the 5% annual reward clock to the date your Pro or Max subscription started.
And now, about our subscription pricing details:
We wanted to honor those who've been loyal to Logos and keep to the spirit of dynamic pricing. This means all customers who own a base package will receive special pricing on our new subscriptions.
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Logos 10 owners, as we’ve already announced, will receive the best subscription prices based on the feature set they own.
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Logos 10 owners will also receive a better price on any subscription where they don’t qualify for the Logos 10 price.
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Customers who own any base package (no matter which version or level) will also receive a better price.
Here are the details:
In addition to offering monthly and annual terms, you’ll also be able to pay for two years of an annual subscription upfront. This will be a great opportunity to lock in your subscription price for two years and automatically qualify for the Legacy Fallback License (if you own a Logos base package). For example, if you pay for two years upfront in October 2024, your subscription will not renew until October 2026, at which point your subscription will renew at the annual rate. Our annual terms give you the equivalent of 2 months free, and the two-year upfront option provides 5 months free.
We're excited for you all to experience the next era of Logos as we get ready for launch and an extra big thank you to those who have been part of the early access program. Your feedback has been invaluable to us, and we don't take your time or trust for granted.
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Taylor Blomquist said:
In addition to offering monthly and annual terms, you’ll also be able to pay for two years of an annual subscription upfront. This will be a great opportunity to lock in your subscription price for two years and automatically qualify for the Legacy Fallback License (if you own a Logos base package). For example, if you pay for two years upfront in October 2024, your subscription will not renew until October 2026, at which point your subscription will renew at the annual rate. Our annual terms give you the equivalent of 2 months free, and the two-year upfront option provides 5 months free.
Great news.
When I initially subscribed during the early access there was no two year option. When the new subscriptions come online will I be able to extend my subscription to the two year subscription?
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This gives me a lot to think about. Thank you!
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Having already paid for a year of Logos Max when it became available, how can I add the 2nd year? It appears paying upfront for two years is cheaper and locks in the price.
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Hi James,
We are working on a solution to support this. It may not be ready by launch day, but it will come shortly after and we’ll ensure you’ll be able to get the discount, as well.
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Thanks Taylor, it would be great if we can ‘upgrade‘ to tb two year option.
Taylor Blomquist said:Hi James,
We are working on a solution to support this. It may not be ready by launch day, but it will come shortly after and we’ll ensure you’ll be able to get the discount, as well.
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Thank you for the updated information regarding the subscriptions.
I have to go back to a question I asked in another thread though that I never did get an answer to from Faithlife, and it's a legitimate question. This applies to those like myself that are Logos 10 full feature set owners who don't want the A.I. features, don't want the rented books, can honestly care less about the 5% discounts, don't care about the extra free book per month, don't want the available courses in the subscriptions, etc. In light of these things, why should we risk paying for a subscription for 2 years (whether upfront or spread out) to get keepable features that fall under the Legacy Fallback License, when we don't know in advance what every single one of those keepable features are? I ask this not only to get an answer to the question, but also because to have a deadline to choose to pay for a discounted subscription, in light of everything I've mentioned, just doesn't look right, and it brings the risk of buyer's remorse (imagine spending a lot of money for what you don't know specifically what you're paying for).
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Jeff Rodrigues said:
Thank you for the updated information regarding the subscriptions.
I have to go back to a question I asked in another thread though that I never did get an answer to from Faithlife, and it's a legitimate question. This applies to those like myself that are Logos 10 full feature set owners who don't want the A.I. features, don't want the rented books, can honestly care less about the 5% discounts, don't care about the extra free book per month, don't want the available courses in the subscriptions, etc. In light of these things, why should we risk paying for a subscription for 2 years (whether upfront or spread out) to get keepable features that fall under the Legacy Fallback License, when we don't know in advance what every single one of those keepable features are? I ask this not only to get an answer to the question, but also because to have a deadline to choose to pay for a discounted subscription, in light of everything I've mentioned, just doesn't look right, and it brings the risk of buyer's remorse (imagine spending a lot of money for what you don't know specifically what you're paying for).
With all due respect, I'm not sure what kind of answer Faithlife could give to a question like this. If you don't care at all about AI features and subscription perks, you might consider just finding contentment with the full feature set, knowing it won't be expanded upon in the future.
My personal advice would be to give the subscription a try for two years and see what you think at the end. One thing to consider is that you will receive 4 years of development in the LFL for the price of two (the previous two years + the coming two years). All things considered, it's a pretty attractive package for the price.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
My personal advice would be to give the subscription a try for two years and see what you think at the end. One thing to consider is that you will receive 4 years of development in the LFL for the price of two (the previous two years + the coming two years). All things considered, it's a pretty attractive package for the price.
If all of the keepable features under the Legacy Fallback License aren't known in advance, then separate from that, I have zero interest in a subscription. No way. I'm not paying for what I have no interest in (rented books, A.I. features, etc). If this is all going to subscriptions with no option at all separately to purchase feature sets like in the past, and if Faithlife can't announce everything upfront that you'll get under the Legacy Fallback License, then I'm not going along with the "get it all or get none of it" approach.
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Jeff Rodrigues said:
If all of the keepable features under the Legacy Fallback License aren't known in advance, then separate from that, I have zero interest in a subscription. No way.
I do not believe it to be realistic that Faithlife could provide that information two years in advance. There may be internal plans that go that far out, but they would be merely estimations and projections. With this in mind, it seems the choice for you is simple. I hope the full feature set serves you well for many years to come.
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Jeff Rodrigues said:
to have a deadline to choose to pay for a discounted subscription
Where have you seen a deadline for the discount? Just wait until it has features that are worthwhile for you. But I do think the AI features and Bible Study builder are much better than you think they are and it is probably worth doing the free trial. The advanced search and summarization is incredible.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
Where have you seen a deadline for the discount? Just wait until it has features that are worthwhile for you. But I do think the AI features and Bible Study builder are much better than you think they are and it is probably worth doing the free trial. The advanced search and summarization is incredible.
Again, the non-keepable features, including A.I., are of absolutely no interest to me. As someone who has used Logos for both sermon prep and small group study prep for years, I have absolutely no consideration of these features at all and will not give them any consideration. Regarding a deadline of the discounted subscriptions for Logos 10 full feature set owners, it has been mentioned in other threads that these are not permanently-offered discounts.
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They have said the discount may go away later but that there will be lots of notice if that happens. There is no pressure to subscribe now. If you have made up your mind that you don't want to consider the cloud-based features at all to see if their value surprises you, that is your business and you will probably never want to subscribe. Thankfully, you can keep what you have and Logos will continue to give you new versions of the software to run on new computers and operating systems.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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I'd still love to get an answer to my question directly from Faithlife that is earlier in the thread.
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Thanks for getting this out. I too have already paid for my first year and am ready to extend to the second as soon at it is available.
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Have you managed to make a decision about where subscriptions like my Logos 10 Academic Standard falls on the Bronze/Silver/Full feature hierarchy with regards to discounts?
To be entirely open, the question is probably just a matter of personal curiosity at this point since this whole, protracted process has left me thinking I'm probably better off just sticking with what I have until I have an actual, rather than a potential, need for any of the new stuff. If there had been a clear proposal up front I would gladly have looked at it, but I don't have the time to invest in all these mammoth threads.
That said, it would be interesting to know just where I stand in the new order.
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Jeff Rodrigues said:
In light of these things, why should we risk paying for a subscription for 2 years (whether upfront or spread out) to get keepable features that fall under the Legacy Fallback License, when we don't know in advance what every single one of those keepable features are?
As others have said, that's obviously up to you.
In a normal upgrade year, your roughly $200 upgrade will get you two years' worth of upgrades. Typically, some upgrades will be useful to you, and others you won't be as interested in. It's not that different today.
In addition to all the AI capabilities, the version of Logos we will release in the fall will include the dynamic toolbar, Insights, Factbook improvements, Bible Study Builder, Get Started Wizard, and more (the latter two are in public beta), without even considering the AI features. That's probably a bit less than a typical upgrade cycle (because I'm deliberately excluding AI and cloud features), but not much less. And even if you don't like generative AI, I think you'd appreciate Help Center and Smart Search during the two-year subscription. You might even grow to love summarize and Smart Synopsis.
On top of that, your eventual LFL license will also include any non-AI/cloud features we build over the next two years. Admittedly, that's hard to quantify, but the result is that even if you already own the L10 full feature set, legacy fallback will include FOUR years' worth of development effort, rather than the TWO years of development effort that a standard upgrade normally benefits from. And the price you'll pay for that is just under $250, which is far less than the $400 you'd typically pay over two upgrade cycles to get four years' worth of our software development.
So ultimately, it's up to you, but – despite the uncertainty as to exactly what we're going to build – I think it's a pretty good deal.
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Will Verbum pricing be the same?
KSC
“Let us begin, brothers, to serve the Lord God, for up until now we have done little or nothing.” St. Francis of Assisi
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Taylor Blomquist said:
On the topic of perks, we shared in prior posts about a 5% reward coupon that’s based on your previous year’s spend. If you’ve already started a subscription, we’re showing our appreciation by retroactively starting the 5% annual reward clock to the date your Pro or Max subscription started.
Quick question on this. Does this also apply to those of us who had Pro added to our Faithlife connect subscription? Does the 5% start when that happened last month or so? As connect subscribers we were told to hold the line and wait for conversion.
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Jeff Rodrigues said:
This applies to those like myself that are Logos 10 full feature set owners who don't want the A.I. features, don't want the rented books, can honestly care less about the 5% discounts, don't care about the extra free book per month, don't want the available courses in the subscriptions, etc. In light of these things, why should we risk paying for a subscription for 2 years (whether upfront or spread out) to get keepable features that fall under the Legacy Fallback License, when we don't know in advance what every single one of those keepable features are? I ask this not only to get an answer to the question, but also because to have a deadline to choose to pay for a discounted subscription, in light of everything I've mentioned, just doesn't look right, and it brings the risk of buyer's remorse (imagine spending a lot of money for what you don't know specifically what you're paying for).
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:As others have said, that's obviously up to you.
In a normal upgrade year, your roughly $200 upgrade will get you two years' worth of upgrades. Typically, some upgrades will be useful to you, and others you won't be as interested in. It's not that different today.
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:... your eventual LFL license will also include any non-AI/cloud features we build over the next two years. Admittedly, that's hard to quantify...
Mark, thank you for answering my question.
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I am happy with it. I am waiting answer on the follwing thread: How does the two-year subscription apply for me? - Logos Forums
Blessings in Christ.
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If for example we pay for Premium by 2 years up front payment, can we then later upgrade with dynamic pricing prior to the end of the 2 years, in order to qualify for legacy fallback features that are later released for Pro and Max?
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Prices for Verbum will be the same as the prices for Logos.Kevin S. Coy, OFS said:Will Verbum pricing be the same?
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Is the "2 years paid upfront" option a one-time thing reserved for full feature set owners looking to acquire the LFL? Or will it be an ongoing option that can be renewed and is available to all customers?
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Will theology students get an academic discount?
And second question, I'm French, I like to have books in French and English, but I don't know if I should wait for the French or English release depending on the books and the accumulation of the two...
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So can I still get in on the $99/yr pricing for Logos Pro now before 10/4?
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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Kevin said:
If for example we pay for Premium by 2 years up front payment, can we then later upgrade with dynamic pricing prior to the end of the 2 years, in order to qualify for legacy fallback features that are later released for Pro and Max?
No.
Let's say you switched to Pro after 1 year of subscribing to Premium.
After two years of subscribing to Premium or above you'd qualify for the Premium LFL. After two years of subscribing to Pro (i.e., after three years in total), you'd qualify for Pro LFL.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Is the "2 years paid upfront" option a one-time thing reserved for full feature set owners looking to acquire the LFL? Or will it be an ongoing option that can be renewed and is available to all customers?
It's available to all customers. The two-year upfront payment will be renewed as an annual subscription. We don't yet know whether it will be possible to do another two-year upfront payment at that point.
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rémi said:
Will theology students get an academic discount?
We'll be announcing academic pricing in a little while.
rémi said:And second question, I'm French, I like to have books in French and English, but I don't know if I should wait for the French or English release depending on the books and the accumulation of the two...
If you take and English subscription now, you'll have the option to switch to a French subscription when that's released. Any remaining credit on your English subscription would get transferred to your French one.
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Ken Shawver said:
So can I still get in on the $99/yr pricing for Logos Pro now before 10/4?
Yes, if you own the L10 Silver feature set or above.
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Can anyone help me understand
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What benefits will I get to keep after 2 years
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Taylor Blomquist said:
Prices for Verbum will be the same as the prices for Logos.Kevin S. Coy, OFS said:Will Verbum pricing be the same?
Thank you very much and thank you for all that you and Logos/Faithlife/Verbum do!
KSC
“Let us begin, brothers, to serve the Lord God, for up until now we have done little or nothing.” St. Francis of Assisi
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Hi Benny,Benny said:How do I get the two year subscription?
The two year option is not yet available to anyone. It will be available after we formally launch the subscriptions.0 -
Berechiah said:
Can anyone help me understand
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What benefits will I get to keep after 2 years
The features available for Legacy Fallback cannot be quantified that far in advance, but you will not lose any features you purchased prior to subscribing.
See Mark Barnes' response at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/225401/1315953.aspx#1315953
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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So eventhough I have been for 2 months on Logos Pro, i won't get my special 2nd free book till after early access becomes the official logos pro?
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Hi Taylor,
Hopefully the solution also supports early adopters who have locked in 1 year for a certain tier and would like to extend to 2 years in another tier. E.g. Currently at Logos Pro and want to commit to 2 years of Logos Max.
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Hi Taylor,
Hopefully the solution also supports early adopters who have locked in 1 year for a certain tier and would like to extend to 2 years in another tier. E.g. Currently at Logos Pro and want to commit to 2 years of Logos Max.
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Gideon R said:
This is what Taylor told James earlier on in the thread:
Taylor Blomquist said:Hi James,
We are working on a solution to support this. It may not be ready by launch day, but it will come shortly after and we’ll ensure you’ll be able to get the discount, as well.
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Yes, when we announced the perks, we stated that perks wouldn't begin until we launched the official subscriptions. We've made an exception for the 5% annual reward coupon for early access subscribers.Paul Long said:So eventhough I have been for 2 months on Logos Pro, i won't get my special 2nd free book till after early access becomes the official logos pro?
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I was asking about upgrade of tier (e.g., Premium to Pro/Max or Pro to Max) as well as extension of subscription term (1 year to 2 years). James was asking about extension of subscription term (1 year to 2 years) for Logos Max.
Antony Brennan said:This is what Taylor told James earlier on in the thread:
Taylor Blomquist said:Hi James,
We are working on a solution to support this. It may not be ready by launch day, but it will come shortly after and we’ll ensure you’ll be able to get the discount, as well.
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Hi Gordon,Gordon Walker said:Have you managed to make a decision about where subscriptions like my Logos 10 Academic Standard falls on the Bronze/Silver/Full feature hierarchy with regards to discounts?
Great question.The Logos 10 Academic Feature Set (which comes with Logos 10 Academic Standard) will qualify you for a discount on Logos Pro. I've update the chart to include other specialty feature sets from Logos 10.0 -
Thanks Mark, I have the Logos 10 Full Feature set. Is there a deadline? I am looking to sign up in the next week.
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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Hi Ken,Ken Shawver said:Is there a deadline? I am looking to sign up in the next week.
I'm not Mark, but I do know the answer [;)]. The deadline to sign up for a subscription during the early access window is 10/4.0 -
Taylor Blomquist said:
Hi Ken,Ken Shawver said:Is there a deadline? I am looking to sign up in the next week.
I'm not Mark, but I do know the answer
. The deadline to sign up for a subscription during the early access window is 10/4.
Does Verbum have early access? All is quiet in the Catholic Products forum!
KSC
“Let us begin, brothers, to serve the Lord God, for up until now we have done little or nothing.” St. Francis of Assisi
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Thank you Taylor
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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Question:
Can Logos merely add an extension option to the existing 1 year plans in effect? It may actually be less programming.
Also, whatever the solution is, can L or FL post clearly on the main webpage what or where to go? Users are getting skittery over the closing on 10 without knowing what to do for a two year option. ? I tried to extend my existing plan but the site does not allow it. Merely adding an "Extend my Plan" button, then posting to handle it on the subscription screens of a users account may work.
Thanks for letting us know.
TK
- — Worship changes the worshiper into the image of the One worshiped —
Jack W. Hayford
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Thank you for your reply. I'm also wondering if the texts generated by the AI will be in French when the text it uses is in English. Will it be possible to choose the AI language?
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I think the pricing is very interesting here. It seems very reasonable and approachable to me. That all depends on the contents of the forthcoming features and datasets, however! Especially because, I'm assuming, these prices apply only to a subscription of future features and datasets. I am assuming that libraries of books will be sold separately. I still think this is great.
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Hi Kevin,
Verbum does not have an early access subscription, sorry!0
