As for me and my house....
I was used to and comfortable with WordSearch. It was like putting on a warm glove to me. When I first came from WordSearch to Logos, I was upset got disgusted and frustrated. Believe me, I understand how some people can get that way. Been there, done that.
But here's the thing... I am normally a positive person with a positive outlook, 99% of the time. I don't stay frustrated or disgusted very long, it's just not my nature. I made up my mind that with Logos, I was going to learn it, make it work for me and let it enhance the things I wanted to do with bible study, sermon and teaching building and such. And long story short, once I made up my mind to that and got my positive outlook back, things actually started to work better for me. Logos is a monster.... lots of flexibility and with that flexibility comes a learning curve. In fact, the more flexibility a program has the bigger the learning curve.
I see in these forums where people complain, give ultimatums and such about quitting. Like I said, I get it. But maybe many of the "naysayers" are their own enemies in that they are letting their attitude stop them from learning.
Pick out something, say like building a sermon or a bible class lesson... then work through one way (that suits you) of putting that lesson together. As you do, you will learn to do another and maybe try next time a different way. I do this all the time with me...
But then, some people are like a neighbor of mine... she thinks that people actually want to hear her complain all the time. I ask her, "What's the good in just complaining? Why not try to find out why your complaining and then see if you can find a way to solve it yourself?" I actually think I made her mad at me.....Oh well, some people are just hard to help. My mom used to say, "You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar!"
Logos is in the middle of change.... problems are going to happen. Ok... what's our choice? Set around and complain and become known as a "naysayer" or actually try to accept the change and see if it benefits you...
I choose the latter. But like I said, I'm a positive type guy! 
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
some people are like a neighbor of mine... she thinks that people actually want to hear her complain all the time. I ask her, "What's the good in just complaining? Why not try to find out why your complaining and then see if you can find a way to solve it yourself?" I actually think I made her mad at me.....Oh well, some people are just hard to help.
Logos is in the middle of change.... problems are going to happen. Ok... what's our choice? Set around and complain and become known as a "naysayer" or actually try to accept the change and see if it benefits you...
I choose the latter. But like I said, I'm a positive type guy!
You may be a "positive type guy", but comments like this don't spread positivity. Many of the people complaining have undoubtedly been of great help to Logos as they have been trying to effectively navigate a difficult transition and understand their user base. Voicing complaints to Logos is often not just empty complaining, but can actually be part of the solution as Logos seeks to effectively serve their users.
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Aaron Hamilton said:xnman said:
some people are like a neighbor of mine... she thinks that people actually want to hear her complain all the time. I ask her, "What's the good in just complaining? Why not try to find out why your complaining and then see if you can find a way to solve it yourself?" I actually think I made her mad at me.....Oh well, some people are just hard to help.
Logos is in the middle of change.... problems are going to happen. Ok... what's our choice? Set around and complain and become known as a "naysayer" or actually try to accept the change and see if it benefits you...
I choose the latter. But like I said, I'm a positive type guy!
You may be a "positive type guy", but comments like this don't spread positivity. Many of the people complaining have undoubtedly been of great help to Logos as they have been trying to effectively navigate a difficult transition and understand their user base. Voicing complaints to Logos is often not just empty complaining, but can actually be part of the solution as Logos seeks to effectively serve their users.
I agree there are "legitimate" complaints.... but there are also complaints that are not "legitimate".
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I like this thread.
One man's complaint is another man's suggestion. One man's gripe is another man's feedback. The frame is often in the eyes of the beholder, yet the begrudger bears much responsibility as well.
Personally, I favor some humor, although if the "fun" aspect gets lost in the emotional shuffle, then Prv 26:19 looms like a hurricane on the horizon ("Am not I in sport?"), or Pro 25:20 (vinegar in nitre).
My sense of humor can be so dry that folks miss it (sorry!), but in a perfect world, I would like to achieve this:- Eases tension: It lightens the mood, making it easier for the listener to accept criticism without feeling defensive.
- Builds rapport: Humor fosters a sense of connection, showing that you're not attacking but seeking a resolution together.
- Softens the blow: A witty remark can make feedback feel less harsh, allowing the complaint to be heard without resentment.
- Encourages receptiveness: People are often more open to addressing issues when they’re presented in a fun or lighthearted way.
- Turns frustration into creativity: Using humor to frame a complaint can shift focus from frustration to problem-solving.
For the record, I dearly love Logos and what it does for me. I am deeply grateful to all the good people who work there and make it possible. Subscription or not, Management shifts aside, I am a lifer and love Logos and recommend it to anyone who will stand still long enough to get an earful. I am also deeply indebted and grateful to all the fine folks here on the forum and for the wide range of help and ideas that float around here. Good job!
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GaoLu said:
in a perfect world, I would like to achieve this:
- Eases tension: It lightens the mood, making it easier for the listener to accept criticism without feeling defensive.
- Builds rapport: Humor fosters a sense of connection, showing that you're not attacking but seeking a resolution together.
- Softens the blow: A witty remark can make feedback feel less harsh, allowing the complaint to be heard without resentment.
- Encourages receptiveness: People are often more open to addressing issues when they’re presented in a fun or lighthearted way.
- Turns frustration into creativity: Using humor to frame a complaint can shift focus from frustration to problem-solving.
Great post. Thank you.
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someone once said.... the reason people don't like clowns is that the clowns reflect the people. Now every time I see a clown....I ask, "Am I like that?" [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Well, I certainly do not intend to quit Logos. I am just saying, "No, thank you" to a subscription. I fully expect to buy books from Logos. I still believe Logos is the best Bible software available.
In fact, I am very happy with the Logos that I now have.
I have no problem with those who choose to subscribe. I hope that it is a blessing to you and your study.
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xnman said:
someone once said.... the reason people don't like clowns is that the clowns reflect the people. Now every time I see a clown....I ask, "Am I like that?"
Every time I see a clown. I think "I want to be like that" - cheer people up, make their lives a little better even if it is only for a few moments.
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I still can't quite grasp where this subscription and new fangled stuff is going to be better but I am in Logos so much more than I have ever been and it's mostly working for me. My only gripe is that I wish someone at Logos can figure out how to get some funding to move some legacy community/pre-pub works into production. It's a black hole for me because older works are hard to read and mine without the power of Logos. I've had some of this in the waiting room for many years.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Thanks, this is a great post.
No one likes to hang out with someone who complains or whines all the time. Nothing wrong with feedback, but most of the time it should include suggestions with how to solve the problem (and that doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you). Also, learning new things usually takes effort and includes a little pain. New version of...Windows, IOS, Mac OS, Adobe, browser, etc. You will definitely get the most out of the software by going through some training and practice using the new tools.
Overall I am happy with the changes even though every change doesn't necessarily benefit me.
My perfect scenario, 5% rebate back to the beginning of 2024 (spent a few $$$$ in the first half of the year), never let me use a coupon code to early, etc. That said, I just bought my first item at a 5% discount this weekend. [;)]
I like insights, the new home page, and the improved search, Factbook, etc.
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