BUG: Clause search lemma failure

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,404
edited November 21 in English Forum

Err34
Although I copy and paste the lemmas, the lemma for the indeclinable in Acts 22:7 fails to work in the clause search.

Err33

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

Tagged:

Comments

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,767

    I hadn't realised there were two lemmas for Saul/Paul.
    Σαῦλος  produces results that are matched in a Syntax Search. But Σαούλ is not a Subject in the Syntax Search, so the Clause result appears to be correct.

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,404

    My problem is that the indeclinable gets flagged as an error ... consistently repeatable. But by playing around with object and indirect object it works fine ... and if I go back through the search history, the third lemma is accepted for subject. But if I clear the entry and re-enter, again the third lemma (indeclinable) is rejected as an error.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,767

    MJ. Smith said:

    My problem is that the indeclinable gets flagged as an error

    I didn't read past the first screenshot!

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Adam Borries (Logos)
    Adam Borries (Logos) Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 881

    MJ. Smith said:

    the lemma for the indeclinable in Acts 22:7 fails to work in the clause search.

    Err33

    I suspect that this is because "Saul" is correctly not tagged as the subject of that phrase, and there no occurrences of subject-lemma:Σαούλ. But I don't trust my meager knowledge of grammar to confirm this, so I've asked for better trained set of eyes to take a look. 

    Screenshot 2024-10-30 At 3.47.32 PM

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,404

    I didn't expect that verse to appear but simply used the verse as the source for copying the indeclinable lemma. I believe the lemma appears 4 times in the New Testament. The declinable form appears >150 times.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Jimmy Parks
    Jimmy Parks Member, Logos Employee Posts: 113

    From a lemma search, the lemma lemma.g:Σαούλ occurs 9 times in 6 verses.
    In those 6 verse the lemma is used as a vocative or for direct address. 



    The syntax diagrams display the syntactic relation of these vocative instances well. They are outside of the clause and so they do not have a syntactic function like Subject, Object, Indirect Object. These are the categories that are searchable with a clause search. None of them fit the syntactic instances where this lemma is used.
    So it seems like there are no results for this lemma in a clause search because it doesn't get used in the categories classified by clause search. 

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,404

    So it seems like there are no results for this lemma in a clause search because it doesn't get used in the categories classified by clause search. 

    Thank you for the tip on what is searchable. Unfortunately the link is to an error page. I'd love to have the correct link. However, my question was why the search argument was rejected (turns red) rather than why there were no results.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Jimmy Parks
    Jimmy Parks Member, Logos Employee Posts: 113

    I think that it turns red because there are no results.