ATTN. KYLE: Factbook BUG in Reported Speech section

MJ. Smith

1. Consider as an example, the case of Judges 9:8-15
2. Look at the speaker/addressee data of v.10 and click on the addressee icon which opens the Factbook
3. Note that the Factbook page is missing the Reported Speech section entirely despite being both speaker and audience in the Scripture.
4. Get annoyed that yet again that only superficial understanding of the Biblical text is encoded in Factbook - not your fault, Kyle - but it is annoying that an ancient Semitic text is trimmed to fit into contemporary Western expectations.

Dave Hooton

• Consider as an example, the case of Judges 9:8-15
• Look at the speaker/addressee data of v.10 and click on the addressee icon which opens the Factbook
• Note that the Factbook page is missing the Reported Speech section entirely

I could only understand your steps as:

• Open Factbook to Judges 9:10
• Look at the Reported Speech section and click on Addressees
• Click on Fig Tree which opens Factbook
• There is no Reported Speech section

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1326779#Comment_1326779

Correct, the addressee of v 10 is fig tree which has no reported speech section ... it appears that Factbook forgot all the non-human natural beings that speak in the Bible. Andersen-Forbes does a good job of bringing them to one's attention. I actually started from the Context Menu but it makes no difference in the resulting Bug.

Kyle G. Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1326792#Comment_1326792

Thanks for your patience. I forgot to respond on Monday.

This is "by design" with a plan to change.

For now we only enabled the Reported Speech section for people because so few animals, places, and things speak in the Bible. In most cases the section would be empty. The idea is to change that behavior so that the section will be enabled if they're associated with speaking data and hidden otherwise.

I would need to get confirmation but we could probably speed up that question if we were ok having the section empty most times.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1326881#Comment_1326881

For now we only enabled the Reported Speech section for people because so few animals, places, and things speak in the Bible.

Kyle, I trust you not to take this personally, but this is a prime example of why I limit who I recommend Logos/Verbum to. Logos - sloppy and incomplete data. It is precisely when something is rare, that a lay person reading the Bible needs tools to bring it to their attention. I dare you to find the cannibal mothers - Logos chose not to give them a person label because they are unnamed and not referenced outside their own episode. However, I have a whole book on the episode - it is not insignificant, it is merely compact. Logos coding hides many of the ambiguities and inconsistencies from us, making us think the original is a much more consistent text that it actually is. Logos makes semantic coding which is easily explained to lay people nearly hidden (removed from the context menu) while shoving complex verbal systems still under debate by scholars in our faces. The result is that I start a series of tips about the data, begin with an exploration of the data of events starting with the "who" of the event, and I run into the missing reported speech on non-human, non-supernatural beings. It makes me feel like the Logos coding was designed by those with a very shallow knowledge of scripture - a knowledge based on nodding their head wisely at things they don't understand rather than wrestling with scripture using the tools they learned in their primary education.

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1326922#Comment_1326922

It is precisely when something is rare, that a lay person reading the Bible needs tools to bring it to their attention.

This is a great philosophical approach to keep in mind.