I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Hermeneia (43 vols.)
The two $299 volume sets together are equivalent to the 43-volume Hermeneia Set and the Continental Commentary Set, and therefore offer exceptional value for money.
Thanks Mark and Mark - exactly what I needed to know. I appreciate the help!
As I mentioned earlier, Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background. Some of the volumes are quite old (though not as bad as ICC), and several are translations from German theologians. The problem with the older volumes is that they sometimes employed methods which have not stood the test of time. Sometimes they're surprisingly brief, other volumes (e.g. Romans) are very substantial. Personally I find it useful for academic work, but with one or two exceptions only, not really useful for preaching (because it tends to answer questions I'm not really asking in sermon preparation).
Continental Commentaries are very similar in style. However, because they've not been directly commissioned, but translated from existing German commentaries, they're already 'proved their worth' (in German scholarship, at least). This means that the standard of CC is slightly higher on average than Hemeneia (at least, there are less duds), but they're also more likely to be somewhat dated.
For those within the liberal or critical streams, both sets are very good. For those of a more evangelical persuasion who are not in academic environments, there can often be better choices.
What is the difference between the 43 volume set now priced at $598 and the 39 volume set on pre-pub for $299.50 (due to ship 1 Oct)? The 43 volume set at $598 includes all the volumes in the Hermeneia series. There are two $299.50 sets shipping on 1 Oct. The first (OT) contains (a) All the OT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia books, (c) Seventeen additional Continental Commentary books. (a) and (b) are already in the 43-volume set, but (c) isn't. The second(NT) set contains (a) All the NT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia books, (c) Two additional Continental Commentary books. (a) is already in the 43-volume set. (b) is in both the 43 volume set and the OT volume set above, but (c) isn't in either set. The two $299 volume sets together are equivalent to the 43-volume Hermeneia Set and the Continental Commentary Set, and therefore offer exceptional value for money.
What is the difference between the 43 volume set now priced at $598 and the 39 volume set on pre-pub for $299.50 (due to ship 1 Oct)?
The 43 volume set at $598 includes all the volumes in the Hermeneia series.
There are two $299.50 sets shipping on 1 Oct.
The first (OT) contains (a) All the OT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia books, (c) Seventeen additional Continental Commentary books. (a) and (b) are already in the 43-volume set, but (c) isn't.
The second(NT) set contains (a) All the NT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia books, (c) Two additional Continental Commentary books. (a) is already in the 43-volume set. (b) is in both the 43 volume set and the OT volume set above, but (c) isn't in either set.
By the way, where is the link to the NT set that is also due to be published soon? I can't find it anywhere. Thx!
It's at the very bottom of the page you mentioned http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7755 but it is a dead link. So far, I do not think they have finalized the price on the NT set. Sales told me it should be the same at the OT set with the same prepub date etc. FYI
Go to the Augsburg Fortress web site, type Hermeneia in the search box and you will find it.
I imagine it will shortly be on the Logos Pre-pub page as the OT volume is.
Just showed up, here's the NT set - http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7756
We just discovered on another thread that the two $299 sets include an additional Hermeneia volume not included in the 43 Volume set, namely the Odes of Solomon. So it's even better value!
That's good to hear.
Looking at the two sets on the Pre-Pub page though, it seems each set has the same seven books:
So it seems that if one were to purchase both sets, they'd be getting two sets of these seven books.
Even though this is already an awesome deal, I wonder if Logos could bundle the two pre-pubs together minus the seven repeated books and reflect that in the price?
Any thoughts on the OT bundle?
This is the best bargain you can find if you are looking for high quality scholarly commentaries of the OT. This bundle contains the best available commentaries in English on :
1) Genesis
2) Leviticus (Arguably)
3) Isaiah (Arguably)
4) Ezekiel
5) Amos
6) Daniel
7) Psalms
8) The only detailed commentaries on 1 Enoch and the Odes of Solomon.
If you are working on any of these OT books this saves you a trip to the library.
I know the Ethiopian Orthodox treat it as orthodox. I thought it fell out of favor with the Jewish.
So you're saying the now think it is Unorthodox. [8-|]
So you're saying the now think it is Unorthodox.
Since this came up maybe a few words are in order:
The book of Enoch is a book from the second temple period which has not been canonised by the Jewish community. It was therefore not read or copied and subsequently lost (This is what usually happened to these books with the exception of Sirach and possibly the Damascus Covenant).
We know it is of Jewish origin because parts of the (original?) Aramaic were found in Qumran and possibly (if we accept the reconstruction) a small fragment from a Greek translation of the book. 4 Greek papyri from the 5th Century AD preserve portions of a Greek translation of the book. Luckily it was canonised by the Ethiopians and preserved in Geez. Still the textual situation is VERY complex: The Ethiopian version contains a part that is not known from the Greek or Aramaic evidence (and lacks large portions preserved in Qumran). The order in which various parts of the book were put together varies between the textual witnesses. The book was undoubtedly enlarged and revised over the years. One needs to discern the "original" parts from subsequent additions and one needs to know Geez in order to read it. Thus for most of us (Eshbal who sits next to me in the library is not included) Enoch is only accessible through a translation and a good textual commentary. Nickelsburg is the most detailed and reflects the Qumran evidence but there exists a much older commentary by Charles which is very good.
Looking at the two sets on the Pre-Pub page though, it seems each set has the same seven books: 1 Enoch 1: Chapters 1-36; 81-108 Fourth Ezra The Apostolic Tradition The Didache Ignatius of Antioch Shepherd of Hermas The Odes of Solomon So it seems that if one were to purchase both sets, they'd be getting two sets of these seven books. Even though this is already an awesome deal, I wonder if Logos could bundle the two pre-pubs together minus the seven repeated books and reflect that in the price?
These sets (and the fact that there's overlap between them, and their prices) are set by Augsburg Fortress. The Logos prices are the same. It's already a phenomenal deal, so creating a bundle of OT + NT for less than the sum of the two of them, but without the duplicated volumes, would be almost illegal it would be so cheap. :-) But I guess it's worth asking them about.
PLEASE could we have some sample pages of Hermeneia. Or a link to a site where I can find them? Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages? I want to see how detailed the commentary is, rather than a list of contents or introduction. I've ordered to lock in at the price, but may well need to ask for a refund if it's more technical than I need.[^o)]
Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages?
Out of which volume?
PLEASE could we have some sample pages of Hermeneia. Or a link to a site where I can find them? Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages? I want to see how detailed the commentary is, rather than a list of contents or introduction. I've ordered to lock in at the price, but may well need to ask for a refund if it's more technical than I need.
Nicky, on the first page of this thread I included a link to the Amazon.com 1 Peter volume of Hermeneia, which is fully text searchable and you can see lots of sample pages by searching around in it for random stuff and then paging back and forward from any search hit:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/23022/171516.aspx#171516
There are other volumes on Amazon that also have this search inside feature. Just search for Hermeneia on Amazon. EDIT: That's a pretty good option for whenever you want to see sample pages of a book Logos is offering that they don't provide sample pages for, BTW.
Just to clear things up for my feeble brain, there are two new entries in Prepubs, and OT and NT Hermeneia. There is a package of 43 volumes that just dropped in price to $598.
But other than Odes of Solomon, there are no new books being released that were not previously available in the Hermeneia or Continental Commentary collections sold by Logos. Is this true?
Thanks!
Correct!
Thanks Mark!
Thank you, David and Rosie.
I found the Amazon site. In fact it tends to let you view the introduction but not the commentary, but Corinthians had pages from the commentary. I guess it's more technical than I need/understand. So you have saved me having to cancel the order after downloading. Many thanks![:)]
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598! Hermeneia (43 vols.)
Does anyone know if there will be a 'special upgrade' for those who already own the Hermeneia 43 volumes?
Any thoughts on the OT bundle? This is the best bargain you can find if you are looking for high quality scholarly commentaries of the OT. This bundle contains the best available commentaries in English on :
Thanks for the input David! I shall mull this over...
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598! Hermeneia (43 vols.) Does anyone know if there will be a 'special upgrade' for those who already own the Hermeneia 43 volumes?
If anyone knows, it would be Logos. And I'm sure they're not going to tell anyone before it's announced if they're planning something like that.
Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background.
Thanks for putting this comparison together.
We plan to announce the sale to everyone on NewsWire this week.
Seems it didn't make it on to this weeks newswire....
Nevertheless, one of the big selling points of the prepub program was always that the price of the items was the cheapest it would ever be.
I am sure that this is something that Bob will comment officially on at some point but in the meantime I think that it is important that we understand that Logos over a number of years have behaved with integrity on this issue and that this change will therefore be in response too a change that was beyond their control. Looking at a number of recent Prep Pubs it is easy to see that an increasing number of resources are being placed on the Pre Pub program by the publishers rather than by Logos and would guess that some or all of the publishers are unwilling to make the same guarantee on Pre Pub pricing as Logos.
The decision to drop the Pre Pub price promise can not have been an easy one for Logos, it has an impact on every customer who has previously purchased a Pre Pub under that promise and will also have an impact on the way customers approach current and future Pre Pubs.
Of course the upside is that this change is e a strong indication that the publishers have now truly bought into Logos as a publishing format and that more books will be published and the Pre Pub program rather than helping to determine what is published will become an introductory offer price and the five year wait for a book in Pre Pub could be a thing of the past.
Seems it didn't make it on to this weeks newswire
Thanks, I was wondering if anybody got this announcement on the newswire mailing. I know that a lot of the Logos emails are targeted and was wondering if I didn't get the announcement because I had bought Hermeneia recently.
Thanks
Maybe its going to be a 'Special' edition of newswire ?
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Fortress Press is excited to be offering limited-time introductory pricing on several new products containing Hermeneia and Continental Commentary Series content.
We are partnering with Logos Bible Software to create exclusive Logos 4 downloadable versions of our new packages. The products are still configured, created, and owned by Fortress Press, Logos is just the reseller.
This special partnership allows Logos 4 versions of our content to be available as downloads from the Logos website. With those downloads, Logos 4 users may add the new content to their library without having to buy a CD-ROM, waiting for it to ship, installing it into Libronix, and then getting it to work in Logos 4. The download is easier and eliminates many of these steps for Logos 4 users.
We decided to include Continental Commentary content in the Hermeneia collections to round them out and produce the ultimate collection of historical-critical commentaries. These two commentaries appeal to a similar audience, so it made sense for us to bundle them together.
To celebrate the new collections we are offering an incredible limited-time sale. We dramatically discounted the price so it would fit within the budgets of many more students and pastors who haven’t been able to afford it at the full price. Remember, this discount is only temporary; it’s not the new permanent price for these commentaries.
Another way we made it easy for more people to add this to their libraries was by splitting the full Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries into two separate collections: one for the Old Testament and the other for the New Testament, further reducing the entry price and allowing customers to just purchase OT or NT.
We realize that many people recently bought the Continental Commentary Series as a standalone package from Logos, and they have graciously agreed to offer full refunds of the Continental Commentary Series to anyone that commits to buying the new complete Hermeneia download after October 1st. For more details, please contact Logos after October 1st at 800-875-6467.
Will BergkampPublisher and Managing DirectorFortress Press
Even though I do not own this series, as a customer and employee of Logos, I hope you don't mind if I jump in to say Thanks Dan!
Blessings.
For those that have placed two Pre-Pubs (OT/NT) you might want to cancel them and get the full enchilada now:
The entire thing - Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries (63 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/8047
Hermeneia/Continental Commentaries: New Testament (31 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7756
Hermeneia/Continental Commentaries: Old Testament (39 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7755
For those that have placed two Pre-Pubs (OT/NT) you might want to cancel them and get the full enchilada now: The entire thing - Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries (63 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/8047
Thank you, Dan! That's awesome! I've just done exactly that. [:)]
This is wonderful. I recently bought the Continental Commentary (And I love it!) - and I have wanted the Hermeneia for a long time but found it too expensive for the moment.
So of course I was excited as it dropped to half price - and even though it's still a very very good price I felt a little sorry that if I had waited I could have had Continental included
So this is wonderful news. Thank you LOGOS
What is the benefit of buying the 63 volume set?
I haven't done a rigorous comparison, but seems to me that the 39 vols + 31 vols for the same price would be better.
What is the benefit of buying the 63 volume set? I haven't done a rigorous comparison, but seems to me that the 39 vols + 31 vols for the same price would be better.
There is an overlap between the two sets, see earlier in this discussion for more details hence 39+31 = 63
Nice, but I find it frustrating that I was in on the first day of the Hermeneia pre-pub several years ago, the first day (I believe) of the Continental commentaries, spent $800 (ok, $798) for the two sets, and now it's being offered for $600. Ouch.
I'm in the same situation. But I've have two years' worth of Hermeneia, which as to be worth something. Part of my wishes that everyone who bought Hermeneia all those years ago should get Continental for free, but I know that's unreasonable. We paid our money for Hermeneia, and were happy with the value offered at the time. If Logos now want to offer even better value to others, I guess I need to rejoice with those who rejoice!
We paid our money for Hermeneia, and were happy with the value offered at the time. If Logos now want to offer even better value to others, I guess I need to rejoice with those who rejoice!
That's a wonderful attitude, Mark. Thank you.
Will there be any kind of discount for people who recently bought Hermeneia?
Rosie, if you'll remember my question just a few short weeks ago regarding what I needed to buy here shortly to prep myself for seminary in two to three years, this was one of the items on my list.
I don't know why, but for one of the first times in my life, I decided to wait.... I just didn't feel comfortable digging into a payment plan at that moment, for some reason ...
So, I waited and then this comes along in my RSS reader. OMW, what a value. Essentially, this is over $1800 in stuff for $600 - my chips are in!
I also have the Hermeneia 43-volumes (40 + 3 upgrade), for which I paid (I think) about as much as the current package offer. I don't think I have the Continental Commentary set, so I would have a pretty good benefit from the package. But it would be the first time I double-bought something that expensive.
Maybe I could give the old ones to someone (at least the CD-ROM original).
Since this isn't an upgrade, you can sell your existing set or give it away. Logos CS will transfer the license for $20 to the new owner. If you sell it you can recoup some of the cost of getting the new offering.
Nice, but I find it frustrating that I was in on the first day of the Hermeneia pre-pub several years ago, the first day (I believe) of the Continental commentaries, spent $800 (ok, $798) for the two sets, and now it's being offered for $600. Ouch. I'm in the same situation. But I've have two years' worth of Hermeneia, which as to be worth something. Part of my wishes that everyone who bought Hermeneia all those years ago should get Continental for free, but I know that's unreasonable. We paid our money for Hermeneia, and were happy with the value offered at the time. If Logos now want to offer even better value to others, I guess I need to rejoice with those who rejoice!
Reminds me of The Laborers in the Vineyard parable (Mat 20:1-16)
After thinking about it, I was pretty sure this would be possible. Who would you contact to do something like this? Sales?
In any event, I think I'll order the new set.
Thanks.
Contact Customer Service and they can take care of you when you are ready to transfer the license. Or call them now and check what they'd want you to do once you are ready do the transfer.
Who would you contact to do something like this? Sales?
You're asking about how to transfer a license, I think? Sales or Customer Service. I'm not sure which. But either way, just call the main Logos number (see www.logos.com, upper right, for number and open hours). Tell them what you're calling about and they'll be able to direct you to the right department to handle it.
Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background. Some of the volumes are quite old (though not as bad as ICC), and several are translations from German theologians. The problem with the older volumes is that they sometimes employed methods which have not stood the test of time. Sometimes they're surprisingly brief, other volumes (e.g. Romans) are very substantial. ...
Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background. Some of the volumes are quite old (though not as bad as ICC), and several are translations from German theologians. The problem with the older volumes is that they sometimes employed methods which have not stood the test of time. Sometimes they're surprisingly brief, other volumes (e.g. Romans) are very substantial.
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Mark, just letting you know I extensively quoted you on my blog post regarding this collection: http://bit.ly/dylOcS
These all seem to be very popular with many of you who don't seem to have a problem laying out that kind of cash for them. (or maybe the payment plan). My question is since I am not familiar with any of the authors listed, who appear to be of the German/European community, what school of theology do they come from, Reformed, Neo-Orthodoxy, Evangelical, etc?
My question is since I am not familiar with any of the authors listed, who appear to be of the German/European community, what school of theology do they come from, Reformed, Neo-Orthodoxy, Evangelical, etc?
They're mainly from the liberal-critical 'school'. My comments here may help further.
