1) Why Logos and 2) Why Logos over Accordance
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I threw my lot in with Logos after being on the Beta with a very small Logos library I had on my PC. The reason became clear in the initial experience. Logos 4 puts everything on the table. Like having a couple dozen books open to the right place when you do a Bible search. If you just want one open, you can do that too. I don't need a reference to decipher the morphology codes, I can see what all the original language words are. All the subjects referenced in the passage are there to get an instant dictionary explanation. It's just there. If I need to dig deeper, I build on this foundation. I can run it on a Mac, a PC, or search my library on the web from most anywhere.
Software is merely a tool. I think Logos is a more accessible instrument for study. Isn't that the idea?
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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More living and learning - not know how to complete 5th challenge - found forum post from Nov 2009 => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/5590/43446.aspx (includes some links to Bible Shootout commentary)
Found a WIki page with Morphological codes => http://wiki.logos.com/Morphology_Codes - desired more Verb Family insight - looked in Library - found Systematic Glossary. Observation: seems searching for verbal aspects more useful than searching for verbal root spelling change (weak), especially for non-professional linguists.
Also in library, found Biblical Hebrew Reference grammar with 11 weak verbs. Observation: appears Accordance handout searched for 2 forms of weak verbs - not know about Biblical usage of Middle voice for the other 9 weak verbs.
For morph searching on Mac, while unable to click item to modify search (can do on PC), learned can use arrow keys and enter to modify Morph search codes - press tab to highlight search phrase, followed by enter to start Morph search.
Note: screen shot on 27" iMac - full size image is 2,476 pixels wide by 1,440 pixels tall.
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Jeffrey Hands said:
I do like with Accordance that I can have German and English translations scrolling synchronized
Two words, "text compare". Just be careful, I once accidentally got a layout with TC stuck in Psalms with "all bibles". The program appears to die forever filling the panel.
Bob - 17" MBP quad 2.3GHz 4GB and iMAC
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Robert Phillips said:Jeffrey Hands said:
I do like with Accordance that I can have German and English translations scrolling synchronized
Two words, "text compare". Just be careful, I once accidentally got a layout with TC stuck in Psalms with "all bibles". The program appears to die forever filling the panel.
Another option is linking resources: e.g. scroll Hebrew, LXX, and English Bibles:
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Logos v Accordance:
A couple months into the Logos 4 for mac, I'm less satisfied with, than with the old 3.0g or e or whatever the last version was. Logos 4 has a marvelous layout, brilliant tools, but is impossibly slow. This running on an early 2008 2.4 ghz MacBook Pro with 4 gig of ram, 256 vram, and OS 10.6.4.
When launching it goes into the "whirling rainbow ball," for 2 or 3 minutes, but after launching it even takes longer for all the commentaries to load. The pop-up word studies and text studies on the far right (standard layout) are nearly a minute wait while I impatiently hold the cursor over the word I want information for.
Other times its the "gray screen" wait. And it doesn't "remember" the ABC links I set for each resource, and every time I change texts I'm into the long wait again. Opps, I selected the link on a resource that opening in Matthew and now my search window and all the other linked resources have been "hijacked" to Matthew, and I'll have to start my search over again. I've learned to dislike using it because of the wait. I find myself launching the old Logos 3 version (under WinXP in Parallels) and running it alongside BibleWorks 6 or 8, but the newest library resources won't load under the old 3.0 version. The installer records an error. Now I always use BibleWorks for a special text search and detail on the Greek & Hebrew, because it's always been faster, (but it's a different product with different goals).
I study in a study group three times a week. One of those I serve as the full-time facilitator, moderator, and the other two I trade off with others. I've tried to pre-anticipate all possibles and load them before the study group, but that's not always possible. Usually I print an outline.
Re: Accordance, I have friends using Accordance, with the "scholar, primary super bundle" or something like that., and I've watched them use it, and it never seems that slow. Seems brisk by comparison to my Logos 4, and nicely intuitive. But I probably have more of the resources that I want in Logos than they have. Some aren't even available in Accordance.
Years ago I switched OS platform to a WinXP machine in order to support Logos use, That was before there was any really viable Mac Bible software, and when emulation OS software was very slow on the Mac. Things are better now. I think the world is changing, the comparatives (Bible software) are closer today than they were then, but when the code for Logos 4 gets fine tuned, or else the processors catch up to the load Logos 4 put on them (Im hearing the same complaint with the quad core desktops and the i5 and i7 processors) it will again tip the scales more strongly in favor of Logos. The libraries aren't yet comparable yet with Accordance, and I love the Logos support people, but it's got to get closer. I hate that Logos has gone primarily web based, but many of the features on my phone are the same. Its the future of things and Logos is ahead of the curve.
Yes, the Logos team is on the right track, but it's just too slow now. Beats going through the stacks in the library, or accessing some school's online library resources, but it's not a real time "on the fly" bible study tool yet. i'm certain that Logos 4 is the future, but it's not here yet, not for me anyway. I'll need to supplement it with a lot of other stuff. (BibleWorks 6 & 8, e-sword, and two other special collection resources.)
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John,
The specs on my MacBook Pro are the same as yours, and while I am hopeful for more speed optimization in time to come, I am not having to wait as near as long as you are describing.
I really believe that if you posted your logs (See the first post in the forum list to learn how), the developers would be able to help you diagnose the problem, and find ways to enhance the performance of the software on your machine.
It's worth a try anyway.
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I have hesitated in making this post out of respect for Logos and its developers who have certainly worked tirelessly on this product. I am certainly grateful for their hard work.
I have both Logos 4 and Accordance 9. I have had Logos since they came out with Logos 3 and I have only acquired Accordance within the last year. May I say very respectfully that I am disappointed in Logos 4. It is incredibly slow and the note feature in my opinion is lame. I have 4 gig of ram running on a 13" MacBook which is about a year old. Logos 4 is slow to load, slow to render the highlights and notes and it is cumbersome to put in notes. Logos 3 note feature worked much better IMO. While it is certainly true that there is a much greater library of resources to choose from in Logos and I currently use Logos for only one resource I find Accordance incredibly fast, has an awesome "search all" feature and is much more friendly with my hardware resources. I am not desiring to be critical. Logos has an incredible sales and support staff but then so does Accordance.
For the time being my primary Biblical study resource is Accordance.
Bob Deacon
Pastor, Faith Outreach Community Church
Gatesville, NC
Bob Deacon
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I too have used both Logos (PC), Logos (Mac), and Accordance. I believe my first Logos was version 2 and my first Accordance was Scholars version 4. I have also used Logos Mac since it first came out. I use both PC and Mac at work and Mac at home. My perception is that both Logos and Accordance are excellent programs, both have feature sets unique to themselves, can essentially do much of the same things, although in different ways, are well supported by capable support staff, developed by godly Christians, and have loyal followers. I believe the question asked, "why Logos / Accordance over Accordance/Logos" is a legitimate question allowing users to share what they believe the strengths of their respective software is. Since my work has generously allowed me to maintain both platforms I use both programs daily. I am unable to build as large a library as I would like, but for basic sermon/lesson preparation, I find that either Logos or Accordance can do pretty much everything I want to do. My only caution to the fans of their respective software is to beware of demonizing those who are fans of the other. My bottom line: If I only ran PC - Logos the clear winner -- if only a Mac - Right Now its Accordance
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