Syntax search: multiple words in same clause

Harry Hahne

I want to do clause delimited searches on a combination of Greek morphological features. This means I want to find a combination of words with certain morphological features within so many words, regardless of the tagging for their syntactical function. I also need to require agreement about certain morphological features, such as case, gender  and number.

I am quite frustrated with trying to do this with the visual syntax searches, even after looking at numerous blogs, forum posts and videos. I probably really need something like the visual search of Logos 3, so I can search on the NA27 Greek New Testament. It may be that the syntax tagged Bibles are not capable of doing what I want.

I do not want to have to consider every possible syntactical classification of words put in by the creators of Opentext, Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament and Cascadia. In all of the examples of visual searches with these resources, there are numerous OR searches to encompass all of the classifications of function of words within phrases and clauses.

It does not appear that you can skip a classification level to go straight to the word level. So if I so something like this, I get no results at all.

I want to say that this word is part of a clause. I probably do not understand how to do this apart from using every classification level as follows.

But if I just want to jump to the word level, how do I do it? Ulitimately, I want to find 2 words in the same clause, such as the following, which does not work (since the search for 1 word would not work):

I don't want to specify all of the word group, head group, etc. I just want to make sure that these 2 words occur in this order within the same clause.

This works, but it does not limit the search to the clause level.

Any help would be appreciated. Is the arrangement of any of the Greek NT syntax databases any more forgiving than others?

Robert Pavich

Harry,

to make your search work...in both the single instance and the double at the bottom, just click "matching skips levels" and "highlight" at each search term.

 

 

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George Somsel

Harry Hahne said:

I want to do clause delimited searches on a combination of Greek morphological features. This means I want to find a combination of words with certain morphological features within so many words, regardless of the tagging for their syntactical function. I also need to require agreement about certain morphological features, such as case, gender  and number

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I want to say that this word is part of a clause. I probably do not understand how to do this apart from using every classification level as follows.

This is relatively simple to accomplish with a morphological search.  If you enter "lemma:εἰμί @vf NEAR @vr?p" you will get the results you want.  Unfortunately, you will also get some results with the present of εἰμί rather than the future.  It would appear there is a bug in the search.  You should also note that it will highlight all forms of εἰμί regardless of the morphology.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/177517#Comment_177517

George Somsel said:

This is relatively simple to accomplish with a morphological search.  If you enter "lemma:εἰμί @vf NEAR @vr?p" you will get the results you want.  Unfortunately, you will also get some results with the present of εἰμί rather than the future.

I agree it is a LOT simpler to use a Morph Search. Unfortunately there is a space between the  lemma term and @vf which gives the spurious results. Use

lemma:εἰμί@vf NEAR @vr?p. However if you want εἰμί to occur BEFORE the participle use lemma:εἰμί@vf BEFORE @vr?p.

I would start with a  Morph/Bible Search for this type of query  and then decide if you want to restrict the number of occurrences with a syntax query because manually sifting the results is too intensive. With a maximum of 12 verses from the text searches the decision is easy!

Harry Hahne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/177517#Comment_177517

George Somsel said:

This is relatively simple to accomplish with a morphological search. 

I know this example is easy to accomplish with a text search. It is simply a test on a small and controllable number of matches so I can learn how to make the Syntactical search work. Ultimately, I need some of the syntactical search features, such as agreement and limitation to clause level, so I need to understand how to create syntax searches.

Harry Hahne

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/177507#Comment_177507

Robert Pavich said:

to make your search work...in both the single instance and the double at the bottom, just click "matching skips levels" and "highlight" at each search term.

Thanks for that tip. It seems to work better. I found that I had to start from scratch to get the best results.