Suggestion: The *complete* Works of Jonathan Edwards
I'm realizing that The Works of Jonathan Edwards (the 2-volume public domain version published by Logos) is inadequate for any serious study of Edwards' work. I am reading Marsden's biography of him right now for a class, and Marsden mentions a couple of his early sermons which I wanted to look up in Logos and read ("The Pleasantness of Religion" and "A Spiritual Understanding of Divine Things Denied to the Unregenerate"). But they are not included. Marsden cites the definitive edition of Edwards' works, which is in fact also cited several times by other works in my Logos library. It's frustrating not to have it available.
So, I would like to put in a request for it:
The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Perry Miller, John E. Smith, Harry S. Stout, general editors; 26 volumes (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957-2008).
Edwards is considered by many to be "America's most important religious figure" (blurb from back of Marsden's biography), so it behooves Logos to have his complete works, not just the public domain stuff.
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I would LOVE to have this, but with a retail price of over $2,500 in print I fear it's never going to happen. This set was destined only for libraries, not for mere mortals.
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Rosie Perera said:
The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Perry Miller, John E. Smith, Harry S. Stout, general editors; 26 volumes (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957-2008).
After Yale has put their collection of Edwards online, it would be quite easy for them to cooperate with Logos for a Logos version, I guess.
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This would be worth breaking the piggy bank for....
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I'd love it too. Though it would have to be significantly discounted.
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[Y] Yes this would be great!!!! Couldn't Logos just expand their addition and add those Works of Edwards that they are missing...Like a Works upgrade...that might be more cost effective for them...But these lost works need to make it into my Logos Library for sure.
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Here's my yes vote [y].
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I will buy it. I want it. I want that collection more than I want most others.
Special thanks to Rosie for the temptation to covet something new. [:D]
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You're right on Rosie. [Y][I]
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Mark said:
Special thanks to Rosie for the temptation to covet something new.
My pleasure. I feel less guilty about it myself if others are joining me in the covetousness.
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Rosie Perera said:
So, I would like to put in a request for it:
The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Perry Miller, John E. Smith, Harry S. Stout, general editors; 26 volumes (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957-2008).
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I was just thinking about this set the earlier this week, hoping for it to be offered in Logos someday! I think I made the suggestion back when we were all using the Newsgroups even!
Rosie, if you want to look up the sermon, I'm sure you can find it online. The group has not only put all 26 volumes online for free, but an additional 50 or so volumes that, I guess, wont be published in print form.
Here's the webpage for that: http://edwards.yale.edu/research/browse
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Would love to have these in my digital library. I too remember discussing and suggesting it back in the day when we were all in the newsgroup. We seemed to get indications that we should be hopeful. I wonder what happened.
http://yalepress.yale.edu/OnlineCatalog.asp?catalog=1105488#section1105487
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Greg Masone said:
Here's the webpage for that: http://edwards.yale.edu/research/browse
They sure put a lot of effort into that page and it sure is difficult to use. The digitization of the text has been done, so it would seem to be an easy matter to get it into Logos...it would be incredibly more useful there.
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Some of the in-print editions are going out of print: http://www.solid-ground-books.com/search.asp?searchtext=Yale+University+Press+edition+
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I can't help but [Y][Y][Y][Y][Y]ing this.
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Halo Hound said:
I can't help but
ing this.No kidding...of all sets out there, this one is just begging for publication in Logos
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Mark Barnes said:
I would LOVE to have this, but with a retail price of over $2,500 in print I fear it's never going to happen. This set was destined only for libraries, not for mere mortals.
Aye, but I'd be sorely tempted to break into the piggy bank to have it in Logos IF the cost was remotely manageable.
While we were in New England I had the pleasure of contributing a bit of editing (modernizing the English, standardizing punctuation etc., according to the strict guidelines set forth by Yale) via the "Friends of Jonathan Edwards" centered there. The sheer volume of Edwards' writing, including what had yet to be published by Yale back in the mid- to late 90's was captivating. He started observing and writing so young - to see even just a few examples of how and what he wrote on whatever paper he could get his hands on, including the backs of receipts, bills of lading and the like in ultra tiny handwriting to use every millimeter of white space, was/is utterly amazing.
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Although I'm not sure that Edwards would be pleased with the covetous thoughts stirred in me by this thread, nonetheless, I'd love the set. Great for community pricing.
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Chris Roberts said:
Although I'm not sure that Edwards would be pleased with the covetous thoughts stirred in me by this thread, nonetheless, I'd love the set. Great for community pricing.
Not likely to be put in community pricing because Yale has a recent copyright on this edition, even though the original writings were done a couple of centuries ago and should be in the public domain. CP is generally used only for public domain works. The public domain edition of Edwards is already available in Logos, but as my first post in this thread points out, it's a pale comparison to the complete works in terms of content. I'm willing to fork over for the complete works. Perhaps not $2500, but if it were in pre-pub for $400 or so, I might. I'm guessing it would have to be closer to $1000 or $1200 for Logos, based on past experience. That's probably more than I'd pay. But maybe they'd be able to cut a good deal with Yale since they've already worked with them on other books.
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Rosie Perera said:
So, I would like to put in a request for it:
The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Perry Miller, John E. Smith, Harry S. Stout, general editors; 26 volumes (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957-2008).
Edwards is considered by many to be "America's most important religious figure" (blurb from back of Marsden's biography), so it behooves Logos to have his complete works, not just the public domain stuff.
John Piper might even be up for it, if we got this in Logos...price definitely would be a definitive issue for many, but if we got Piper promoting it there might be just enough many to make the pre-pub price reasonable.
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This would be the one set of works I would pay a pretty penny for. It would be the one that would break me into payment plans. In fact, I would pay more for this then I would for the NICNT/OT. I have plenty of commentaries that describe passages to me, though I'd love to have the top of the line. When Jonathan Edwards wrote, it was backed up by a man who meant and lived the words with every ounce of his soul. I don't think there was a single area of his life he didn't want to bring into subjection to his Love for God. I want to be able to soak every bit of that kind of Character in that I can.
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Halo Hound said:
When Jonathan Edwards wrote, it was backed up by a man who meant and lived the words with every ounce of his soul. I don't think there was a single area of his life he didn't want to bring into subjection to his Love for God. I want to be able to soak every bit of that kind of Character in that I can.
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Community pricing? I bet we could get a very good price on this...it should be a very popular one.
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This just in...
http://www.logos.com/product/15471/the-works-of-jonathan-edwards
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$900.00
Ouch!
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Greg Masone said:
$900.00
Ouch!
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Greg Masone said:
$900.00
Ouch!
That's Yale for you!
But when the list price is $2945, it's not as bad as it looks!
$900 / 16,798 pages = $0.05 per page.
$900 / 26 volumes = $34.62 (averaging roughly 650 pages per volume)All in it could be a lot worse...
650 page books don't normally sell for $35, particularly when they're from academic publishers.
All that to day, if you can afford it and you're interested in Edward's writings, its a good deal.
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Now why did you have to go and post this link? I am already in an impossible position wanting to read my library before my life is over. These titles are wonderful. I would settle for Jonathan Edwards but everything else looks cool too. I think I should go rake leaves.Jacob Hantla said:Some of the in-print editions are going out of print: http://www.solid-ground-books.com/search.asp?searchtext=Yale+University+Press+edition+
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Rosie Perera said:
'm willing to fork over for the complete works. Perhaps not $2500, but if it were in pre-pub for $400 or so, I might. I'm guessing it would have to be closer to $1000 or $1200 for Logos, based on past experience. That's probably more than I'd pay.
You sure are good at predictions.
Rosie Perera said:But maybe they'd be able to cut a good deal with Yale since they've already worked with them on other books.
But then again, maybe they won't. $900?? [:'(]
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Super Tramp said:Rosie Perera said:
But maybe they'd be able to cut a good deal with Yale since they've already worked with them on other books.
But then again, maybe they won't. $900??
I guess if you need it, it's a good deal. But the rest of us, hmm....one can get all the available works of Calvin AND Luther in Logos for about the same price. I'm happy to settle for the less-than-complete works for now.
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Thomas Black said:
What's going on that this is so expensive? I couldnt believe it - on prepub for $899? Or maybe their agreement does not allow any kind of prepub discount? I buy as much as I can afford but there's no way I can justify this one ...
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Todd Phillips said:
I'm happy to settle for the less-than-complete works for now.
I know what most of us will buy (or have already bought on pre pub) given the following choices! [:O]
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Has anyone compared what's in the Banner of Truth version with what's offered in the 26 volumes?
The 26 volumes are all available online at Yale's JE site. Along with about 50 more volumes of his work that they aren't planning on publishing.
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I think this one is the same set as the one published by Banner and Hendrickson
http://www.logos.com/product/3923/the-works-of-jonathan-edwards
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Seriously 899 USD is way too much, why don't they offer payment plan on pre-pub
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I'm kind of thankful that the decision is so easy. At $400 I might have to consider a bit but at $900 it's really easy to say no.
At the end of the day someone needs to be realistic and realise that we aren't libraries and our EULA guarantees that most of this material will never be read by anyone who buys it because even the most diehard JE lover is going to be hard pressed to finish 16,798 pages this side of heaven. It's supposedly 69% off so in that case I can feel good if I read 31% of it? I'll think I'll stick to what I have.
I do applaud Logos for taking the chance and raising the bar on what's available to those who really need it. Anyone writing a dissertation on JE?
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JH said:
This just in...
http://www.logos.com/product/15471/the-works-of-jonathan-edwards
Yeehaw! Pricey indeed, but what an amazing resource for anyone interested in serious scholarship on Edwards. It would be $2935 to get this set in print, so this is quite a good deal. But still, ouch!
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$900 is a lot of money. I have a hard time believing I'll be able to pull it together but if I do by the time it leaves Pre-Pub I'll purchase it. If I had a choice between this and NICNT/OT I'll take Edwards. I have tons of commentaries and Edwards on Pre-Pub is $700 less :-) Its true I would probably never get to read through 16,000 pages. But I bet I'll search through 16,000 pages many many times.
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Jacob Hantla said:
Community pricing? I bet we could get a very good price on this...it should be a very popular one.
$900 is very good for this if you need it. I would be more likely to buy some individual volumes if it was prepubbed individually. But As it is the ability for me to get so many Edwards Sermons into Logos (and to have the rest searchable) is worth it.
I understand the price is very steep, but it is much much cheaper than the print edition.
Thank you, Logos!
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I am certainly considering this offer.
One of my questions though concerns how much of the 16,000 pages is actual Edwards "text", and how much of it is notes/etc?
For example, the Banner paperback of The Religious Affections is 382 pages. Yale volume # 2 has the work, and nothing else from what I've been able to determine, but is 526 pages. That's 37 more pages than the Banner editon. Does the Yale edition contain so many more pages because it is larger print, is more complete, has considerable textual notes, or is there another reason? Does anyone know?
Also, I would be more comfortable if Logos would declare for sure whether the set will be available for mobile devices on release. I've puchased several prepubs in the last 8-10 months that did not show the iPad/iPhone icon on the prepub page but were available when released. But since I would make extensive use of the set to just read Mr. Edwartds writings, availability on mobile devices is a must. I would be very disappointed (probably even angry, though I would not let the sun go down on my anger) if I paid the $900 without a declaration (but expecting it would be available given recent history with other prepubs that lack the icon) and found it unavailable for mobile devices once released.
So Logos, can we get the iPhone/iPad app icon on the Edwards prebub listing, or, if it will NOT be available on mobile devices, a response to this thread stating so?
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The Works of Jonathan Edwards will be available on mobile devices.
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Randal M Lane said:
For example, the Banner paperback of The Religious Affections is 382 pages. Yale volume # 2 has the work, and nothing else from what I've been able to determine, but is 526 pages. That's 37 more pages than the Banner editon. Does the Yale edition contain so many more pages because it is larger print, is more complete, has considerable textual notes, or is there another reason? Does anyone know?
Randal,
You can browse the set online here:http://edwards.yale.edu/research/browse
Looking at the volume on The Religious Affections, it seems there is at least an 87 page introduction written by an editor. Here is the page listing the Table of Contents of that volume. It seems to go from page 84 to 383.
Hope this helps!
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[N] auchhh too expansive.
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Kent Hendricks said:
The Works of Jonathan Edwards will be available on mobile devices.
Thanks Kent. You might want to edit the icons on the product page to reflect this
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