Need Help with 2 Syntax Searches
I installed Logos 3 onto XP Mode on my PC (since I needed to access some of my Sermon Files and a few files that haven't made it over to L4 yet), and while I was there, I was able to load my Syntax Queries I've been needing in L4.
However, I'm not 100% sure how to reconstruct them in L4. I get part way through them, but I get stumped due to the new editor.
Could someone show me how to re-construct these Syntax Searches in L4? There's two of them, and one is broken down into two captures since it's longer.
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
Comments
-
Nathan
To learn about L4 Syntax Search see A Strategy for Syntax Search and Setting_up_a_Syntax_Search.
This Genitive Absolute is different but just uses Unordered to
combine the two OR'd parts of your query.
You can set the Subject the same way as the Predicator by omitting the Word Group and Head Term (but right click Word 2 as Word1 and select "Matching skips levels". Then insert the terms to see why I chose Appears = Last.
You input Morphology the same way as a Morph Search eg type @ and then select the part of speech.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Excellent info! Thanks for all the great tips.
I re-constructed the Genitive Absolute search, and it went perfectly. Thanks for the screenshot. I see what I was doing wrong on typing the Morph Commands. This search also looks simpler than the long query I had in L3.
I also remember reading that in the Lexham Syntax Database there's a super easy way to find the Genitive Absolute with a couple clicks, but it's also good to have it in the OpenText as well.
Thanks for the two articles. I'll sure read them and brush up on my Syntax knowledge for L4.
BTW, would you happen to know what the two Greek words are in the other Syntax Search I posted above? I believe one is Theos, but I'm not sure what the other word is (I downloaded this Syntax Search off the net, so I didn't actually input the Greek words). If I knew what the two words were, I could put together this Syntax Search and be all set.
Thanks again!Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Think I've got it! I found a way to copy/paste the Greek words. :-)
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Nathan Parker said:
I also remember reading that in the Lexham Syntax Database there's a super easy way to find the Genitive Absolute with a couple clicks,
Please advise - a Syntax Search that simple is worth knowing about[:)]
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Dave Hooton said:Nathan Parker said:
I also remember reading that in the Lexham Syntax Database there's a super easy way to find the Genitive Absolute with a couple clicks,
Please advise - a Syntax Search that simple is worth knowing about
I remember it was on one of the Syntax Videos for L3 here. One of the videos that discussed the Lexham database. I'll have to figure out tomorrow how to run the search in L3, then I'll re-try the search under L4 and post you what I find out. It was really simple. Some special tagging or something allowed me to checkmark the Genitives and it instantly ran the search with a couple clicks. Pretty neat when I saw it in action.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
There are some templates which allow this (from a new Syntax Search) but I could not see one as specific as Genitive Absolute.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Dave Hooton said:
There are some templates which allow this (from a new Syntax Search) but I could not see one as specific as Genitive Absolute.
Found it.
This is really beautiful. Make sure you're sitting down.
In L3, I opened a new Syntax Search for the Lexham database, simply added a word, and under "Syntactic Force", I checked "Genitive Absolute".
Here it is in L4:
Pretty amazing, huh?
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Nathan Parker said:
This is really beautiful. Make sure you're sitting down.
I was sitting down! It is very simple when somebody has done the hard work for you.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Holy Moly Nathan....
How did I not know this was in the Syntax Search???
Thank you for pointing it out...... [:D]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
0 -
Isn't this amazing. I remember demoing the Genitive Absolute search to someone back when I was on L3. First, I used the extremely complex Graphical Query editor to run a search (I even pulled out Accordance on my Mac and showed how to simplify the search a little using their Graphical Construct editor), then I opened up the Syntax Search, built a complex search on the OpenText.org, then switched to the Lexham and dropped in one little tile to show how easy it was to do on the Lexham. When I saw this demo the first time (researching so I could do a demo for someone), I almost fainted when I saw how easy it was. Such a beautiful thing!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
While we're at it, I was wondering if any of you could help me translate these graphical queries into syntax searches. These were used to search the older morph databases back in Libronix 2.0.
Here's the first one:
With the help of the Accordance forums, I was able to get it into one of their Greek Constructs. Here's what it looks like in Accordance (for those familiar with it):
Also, here's a Greek Construct of the Granville Sharp Rule I have in Accordance. If I could get this translated into a Logos Syntax Search as well, that'd be great:
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Ah, this brings back memories. Here was my old graphical query for the genitive absolute:
(Anyone still running LDLS 3 can see how I constructed that at the old support page: http://www.logos.com/support/lbs/graphicalquery). It'd be fun to compare those results with the hand-tagged results available in Logos 4 and see how I did. At least for some definitions of 'fun'.
0 -
GRAMCORD? I remember that from L3 .....[:)]
Can you attach a Passage List of its results?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
GRAMCORD? I remember that from L3 .....[:)]
Can you attach a Passage List of its results?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
I had it on my system until recently. Did a really good job searching the Genitive Absolute. It came pretty close to the OpenText search I performed. It was hard to tell with the Lexham since at the time it only had the General Epistles. :-)
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
BTW, anyone able to look at my GQ's and see if they could be duplicated in Syntax Searches?
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Nathan Parker said:
BTW, anyone able to look at my GQ's and see if they could be duplicated in Syntax Searches?
Here it is quickly. It needs to be refined according to your expectations (what are you looking for?). I took the first verb to be a Predicator (the main verb of a Clause), although I didn't label the Clause Component as such. Then I assumed the other verbs would be related in one Clause Component and separated by a Conjunction (which kai is). The GQ exclusion Filter may not be necessary but it is possible that other Verbs may intervene with my query. Important results may be missing compared with your GQ, so you have to look at the OpenText Syntax structure and make appropriate changes.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Here is a more comprehensive solution using EC's to limit intervening verb terms. I insisted one EC be the First but you can remove that restriction to see why!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
Dave Hooton said:
Here is a more comprehensive solution using EC's to limit intervening verb terms. I insisted one EC be the First but you can remove that restriction to see why!
This one's for the Aorist "Kai", correct?
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Also, does it matter that your lines are dotted and mine aren't?
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Nathan Parker said:
Also, does it matter that your lines are dotted and mine aren't?
Got it. Forgot to check "Matching Skips Levels".
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Nathan Parker said:
This one's for the Aorist "Kai", correct?
Yes. Here's a "simple" Granville Sharpe Rule in OpenText:-
Again, you need to work on this to develop a more complete solution. I restricted the Words to apply to Deity - LN Domain 12.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
0 -
I did the Granville Sharp exercises a while ago, it really translates into 2 queries. They are longer than a screen, so the best way I could think of to upload them was via Powerpoint files. The number in parens is the expected number of results, one is 120, the other 63. This matches the article pretty closely.
0 -
Dave Hooton said:Nathan Parker said:
This one's for the Aorist "Kai", correct?
Yes. Here's a "simple" Granville Sharpe Rule in OpenText:-
Again, you need to work on this to develop a more complete solution. I restricted the Words to apply to Deity - LN Domain 12.
Excellent! Thanks for all your help with this! This has been really enjoyable spending some time with the L4 Syntax builder.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Dominick Sela said:
I did the Granville Sharp exercises a while ago, it really translates into 2 queries. They are longer than a screen, so the best way I could think of to upload them was via Powerpoint files. The number in parens is the expected number of results, one is 120, the other 63. This matches the article pretty closely.
Great! I'll take a look at these.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Nathan Parker said:Dominick Sela said:
I did the Granville Sharp exercises a while ago, it really translates into 2 queries. They are longer than a screen, so the best way I could think of to upload them was via Powerpoint files. The number in parens is the expected number of results, one is 120, the other 63. This matches the article pretty closely.
Great! I'll take a look at these.
Couple questions:
What is the lemma in Word 6 in the first search and Word 2 in the second search?
How did you get Word 7's Case=Word5 Case in the first search and Word 3's Case=Word1 Case in the second search?
That should do it and I'd have it.
Thanks!
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Lemma in word 2 = καί . Samein word 6.
Check out "Agreement" at the bottom of the Word preferences in the right margin for case areement, it's pretty easy to figure out once you see it.
0 -
Dominick Sela said:
Lemma in word 2 = καί . Samein word 6.
Check out "Agreement" at the bottom of the Word preferences in the right margin for case areement, it's pretty easy to figure out once you see it.
Got it! Thank you so much! That was pretty simple. Feels great to have my Syntax Searches all imported over finally.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
BTW, are there some videos that I could watch that would get me up-to-speed with the Cascadia Syntax Graph, as well as the new templates feature in 4? That'd basically get me up-to-speed with Syntax Searching 101 on L4.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
0 -
Don't know if you have viewed these or if they address your particular need, but here is what Logos has:
Syntax 1: Andersen-Forbes
Syntax 2: Andersen-Forbes
Syntax Searching For Everyone: Pt1
Syntax Searching For Everyone: Pt2
Syntax Searching For Everyone: Pt3
pulled from the See Also box (in the top right corner) of the wiki page Setting up a Syntax Search0 -
