Greek Search of Genitives Functioning as an Indirect Object

Brett
Brett Member Posts: 25 ✭✭
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Hi. Right now, I'm working through 2 Timothy 1. In the last half of verse 12, it reads in Greek, "καὶ πέπεισμαι ὅτι δυνατός ἐστιν τὴν παραθήκην μου φυλάξαι εἰς ἐκείνην τὴν ἡμέραν." I am interested in the construction "τὴν παραθήκην μου." Basically, there is debate on whether this is something entrusted to me (Paul) or something I (Paul) entrust. Is there a way to form a search that would show all instances where a Greek genitive functions as the indirect object? Obviously, how a particular genitive functions is debated, but it would at least help me see quickly if there are undisputable instances of this and how frequent they are.

Thanks.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,492

    In my syntax search skills are limited, I would start with Lukaszewski, Albert L. The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary. Lexham Press, 2007. and look at the syntactic force associated with the genitives to see how Logos analyzes it before trying to build a search other than for syntactic force.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,009

    Is there a way to form a search that would show all instances where a Greek genitive functions as the indirect object? 

    The syntax charts provided with Logos suggest this is not an indirect object but rather tagged as an object.

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    It would be important to clarify this before trying to construct searches for this type of structure.

  • Brett
    Brett Member Posts: 25 ✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1351924#Comment_1351924

    Thanks to both. My thought was a syntax search too. Graham, if I'm reading this correctly, they label the whole three-word phrase as functioning as an object, which is true. However, when it comes to labeling μου specifically, it only labels it a pronoun without saying if this pronoun functions as possessive, a subjective genitive, an indirect object, etc. Am I reading that correctly? If so, that's why I thought it seems like this syntax search won't give me what I'm looking for, since it doesn't go into that detail, as far as I can tell.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,009

    However, when it comes to labeling μου specifically, it only labels it a pronoun without saying if this pronoun functions as possessive, a subjective genitive, an indirect object, etc

    This particular analysis resource does tag it as genitive - but that's as far as it goes.

    There are different syntax search databases in Logos - one has the ability to search for instances of different syntactic sources (such as subjective genitive) while another allows you to search for indirect objects.

    But I don't think there is one that does both

  • Dick Roberts
    Dick Roberts Member Posts: 47 ✭✭

    what are these two databases?

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,009

    what are these two databases?

    https://www.logos.com/product/25627/the-lexham-syntactic-greek-new-testament-sbl-edition?queryId=249b85dc8f61d5ec6d6bb6009bb986ba and https://www.logos.com/product/25543/cascadia-syntax-graphs-of-the-new-testament-sbl-edition?queryId=249b85dc8f61d5ec6d6bb6009bb986ba

    There are some details on how to use them at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017808131-Greek-Syntax-Search

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